US Second Amendment v UK Social Contract.

by Englishman 22 Replies latest jw friends

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    An intresting point to make is that the cities+states with the most restrictive gun laws (ie LA, NewYork, Chicago, Washington D.C.) have the highest rates of murder!!

    I fail to understand why gun-control folks cannot see that Criminals will always be Criminals and will use guns no matter how many laws they pass. "Hmmm, Im going to go kill this guy, I better not use a gun cause thats illegal....." YEAH RIGHT!

    Homeowners do need to educate their kids and keep them away from firearms.

    It cracks me up how the gun-control people want to sue gun manufacturers. Hello folks! Its the shooter thats the problem, not the gun! Do you see any lawsuits against Coors or Anhueser Busch for DUI accidents??? Can I sue Ford for some dumbass rear ending me?? NO! You sue the person, not the manufacturer.

    While some might shiver at the thought of 200 Million guns (Englishmen ), I find it comforting knowing that A) If some asshole breaks into my house at 3am I can shoot his ass, and B) Hitler wannabee's and friends of Moa wont be taking over anytime soon.....

    The 2nd Amendment is the Ultimate Check and Balance

  • Undecided
    Undecided

    It would be an interesting read if they did a statistical analysis by race of muder in the US.

    Ken P.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    It is also important to note that the statistics in the major U.S. cities (especially Wash. D.C.) do not reflect the fact that most of the gun deaths are the results of criminals killing criminals (drugs, gangs, etc.) .... like, I'm really sad over that fact.....NOT.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Double Edge, you surely can't be saying the end justifies the means>gun culture can you? ALL the other figures do not allude to this and the other comments in favour of gun culture have been proven to be complete crap.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    "gun culture" .... left wing propaganda ... more like 'let's go easy on the criminals culture'. Recently, where I live, there have been several murders committed by knifes. Does that mean we now have a "knife culture"?

    Edited by - Double Edge on 17 October 2002 19:25:21

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Double Edge, you cannot deny there being prolific gun ownership in the US. Call it culture - call it what you like. I'm not playing around with words.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    deny there being prolific gun ownership

    Why would I deny something I know, because I own firearms and was raised to have respect for them. I own a car too, and I have respect that it too is dangerous if misused. I also know that the REAL Agenda of the so-called Anti-Gun people is to disarm all the law abiding citizens to supposedly make it a 'safer' society, when in fact it will only make it more dangerous. I live in L.A. During the Rodney King riots, the police couldn't protect all the businesses that were being looted and burned down. Guess who the rioters didn't touch?... The Korean business people who owned guns and protrected their property. The world is getting more dangerous and people need to protect themselves, because society sure won't.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    You do have a point there Double Edge, I will say that. I must tell you my perspective though from a country where there simply are no guns - I have never even seen a gun in real life, it seems strange to have a whole nation bearing arms, almost weird.

    I would propose that 'phasers' or ray guns will be in use in the next 100 years. Will all the general public have to start owning them too, to keep up with criminals using your logic?

    Then what next?

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Capt. Kirk: "Set phasers to ""tickle!"

    Englishman.

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge

    Ballistic:

    You do have a point there Double Edge, I will say that. I must tell you my perspective though from a country where there simply are no guns - I have never even seen a gun in real life, it seems strange to have a whole nation bearing arms, almost weird.

    That's okay, and because you were never raised around firearms one can understand why you feel the way you do. The problem is that only one side of this story is ever being told and that's a shame. Did you know that last year, in the U.S., there were over 2.5 million times private citizens "used" their firearms to PREVENT a crime? That's not saying they fired them, only that they had to brandished them. But you'll never hear that statistic, it won't play to a liberal press. In my lifetime, I've had to 'use' (not shoot) a firearm twice to protect myself when I was in harms way. Once out in the desert with a bunch of crazy drunks in a car threatening me and the other time from a burgler. Both times I only had to show them the rifle or pistol and they totally backed off.

    When you think about it, our countries have two entirely different histories with regards to the populace owning firearms. The westward expansion of this nation took place in the 18th, 19th and yes, the 20th Century. People and families were on their own and had to protect themselves as there was no government around. Whereas, in the U.K., I believe there was no such mass movement of isolated people by that time. So yes, our 'culture' from that perspective is different.

    Also, one more interesting story... Right after Pearl Harbor, the Pacific Coast line was very vulnerable to attack and invasion by the Japanese because the population at the time was relatively 'sparse' (the population centers were on the East Coast). Japanese subs had shelled some places in California. In the early 60's, Japanese and American vets met at a reunion in I believe either California or Hawaii. An American vet asked the Japanese why they didn't press their advantage and invade places on the Pacific Coast where we were militarily weak. He was told by his Japanese counterpart that even though they knew there would be relatively few resistance by any American military, they were quite aware that about 50% of American households owned firearms and would protect their Country. They knew that they could not overcome those numbers.

    Edited by - Double Edge on 18 October 2002 21:20:2

    Edited by - Double Edge on 18 October 2002 21:21:53

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