Jesus needs to be DFed !!!

Elsewhere

Yup... you got that right!

"Do YOU imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell YOU, but rather division" --Luke 12:51

Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock
The Bible condemns the following:
Causing divisions and promoting sects.
This would be deliberate action disrupting the unity
of the congregation or undermining the confidence
of the brothers in Jehovah's arrangement.
It may involve or lead to apostasy. (Rom. 16:
17, 18; Titus 3:10, 11 )
The practice of spiritism. (Deut. 18:9-13; I Cor. 10: 21, 22; Gal. 5:20)
Idolatry. ( I Cor. 6:9, 10; 10:14)
Idolatry includes the possession and use of images
and pictures that are employed in false religion.
Drunkenness. (I Cor. 5:11; 6:9,10; it-l p. 656)
Stealing, thievery, fraud. (Lev. 6:2, 4; I Cor. 6:9, 10; Eph. 4:28; it-l p. 870)
Deliberate, malicious lying; bearing false witness. (Prov. 6: 16, 19; Col. 3:9; Rev. 22:15; it-2 pp. 244-5)
Reviling; slander. (Lev. 19:16; I Cor. 6:10; it-l pp. 989-91; it-2 pp. 801-2)
Obscene speech. (Eph. 5:3-5; Col. 3:8)
Failure to abstain from blood. (Gen. 9:4; Acts 15:20, 28, 29)
Greedgambling, extortion. (I Cor. 5:10, 11; 6:10; I Tim. 3:8; it-l pp. 1005-6)
Adamant refusal to provide materially for one's ovn familyleaving wife and children destitute when having the
UNIT 5 (a)
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Edited by - Elsewhere on 20 October 2002 18:39:3

A Paduan

I think they've done it a few times now.

"as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me"

Jesus' proclamation of the kingdom is a refining and purifying fire (vs.49). His message that meets with acceptance or rejection is a source of conflict and dissension even within families. The lack of peace is a regrettable result of an undeviating proclamation of the Kingdom. There is no "peace at any price," through the compromising of God's word.

Why interpret this literally, rather than try to get to the sense of what the passage is really saying? Where is Jesus actively promoting divisions or sects? Is it not rather that he is a source of division because in families some accept him while others reject him?

And where is Jesus guilty of advocating spiritism, idolatry, promoting stealing, bearing false witness, obscene speech, extortion, etc?

Windchaser

Yet another prime example of how the Bible contradicts itself and confuses the hell out of me.

Edited to add: Kenn, Jesus did actively cause divisions. He took men away from their families when he chose his apostles. Even if the families all became Christian, they were unable to have normal lives with their husbands and fathers once Jesus got hold of these men. Yes, no pain, no gain...really sad that the Creator of all things decided to do things this way.

The society teaches that Universal Sovereignty is the reason. Why does the Most High God have to be on an ego trip? Why couldn't he have just taken care of things in Eden by getting rid of the trouble-makers back then? All this crap that we have to live with, all the suffering and fear and hatred, just because God wants us to know that he is the best ruler? I just don't buy it anymore. I don't find it particularly loving. I don't find Jesus causing divisions in families very nice, either.

Edited by - windchaser on 20 October 2002 19:27:51

Jesus Christ

One more time, just for the record, I have never been a Jehovah's Witness. I really wish that those people wouldn't use dad and I to promote their own twisted ideas.

Oh, and just for the record, if I were to get disfellowshipped, I'd have a better chance of getting kicked out for all the poontang I used to get while down with you all. Thankfully birth control for me is easy and has only failed a few times (not saying anything definite but Kevin Smith and Paul Westerberg got their great talents from somewhere).

Satanus

Ken

Jesus' worst offence was attacking the priesthood and sanhedrin that god supposedly had moses and aaron set up. Jesus was attempting to supplant that system w a new one. If it hadn't been for paul, it might have worked. Paul put his own twist on it, and made it attractive to the roman govt.

If god had wanted christianity, he should have started w christianity, instead of starting a system that was inherently corrupt from the beginning. Changing directions after 2000 yrs of going another way, has left a lot of confusion in its wake.

SS

MegaDude

Else,

Ahem. You could do better than that if you're trying to win atheist of the month award.

Jesus sought to bring peace, but he realized his message wouldn't be received. Therefore, people would have to make a choice to follow his teachings or not, which would bring division.

However, if Jesus showed up at a kingdom hall or at Watchtower headquarters and tried to straighten things out, I'm sure the Society would throw him out, beat him up, or DF him.

SixofNine

If Jesus would've just fricken communicated for gods sake, there wouldn't be any questions about this or any scripture. But nnoooo.

How's that, Mega? lol

Gopher

Jesus did say, "If you do it to one of these little ones, you do it to me." So yes JW's have offended Jesus many times, in effect DF'ing him through doing it to his "little ones".

LyinEyes

Good post Elsewhere.

I agree Mega,, if Jesus walked into the headquarters and asked them what they are doing in His father's name, in God's temple, he would go postal on them, and therefore , thrown out on his bottom.

It is just amazing to me how much the WT and the Pharisees have in common. They both know the real truth, yet because of their pride they will not even listen to Jesus Christ himself. Too much to lose, power and money. Offsprings of vipers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!