Stop The War in IRAQ!! (CSPAN)

by sf 28 Replies latest jw friends

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  rwagoner

  I have to agree with freedom96 -

  It is easy to sit and shout slogans (on either side) without the weight of the responsibility for protecting a Nation as well as our interests internationally.

  Should we sit and do nothing....while the enemies of our country build weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons to use against our country ? Those of us who are Americans have the right to free speach and each person is welcome to wave signs, call the President names or whatever helps you sleep at night. I for one have had the priviledge of meeting with President Bush, as well as his father on a few occassions and I would not want the responsibility that their position requires.

  No one WANTS to move towards a confrontation that will most likely end in the loss of lives but sometimes we need to stand up to protect ourselves and others. We all want the freedoms that we enjoy but when the time comes to pay up, it seems that it is easier for some people to grab a sign, burn a flag scream louder than the person next to them and second guess the people in a position to have all the facts. Well...that is your right and fortunately there always seems to be a few others who are willing to stand up while everyone else protests.

  Not a popular opinion I'm sure...But is Mine and I'm Keeping it.

  RandyW
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  pettygrudger

  While I respect your opinion Randy, I can't agree - George W wants DESPERATELY to go to war, and is even going as far to flaunt his superiority at the UN. Pride comes before a fall.....and our whole nation will suffer this time around imho.

  Nor would IRaq necessarily be our enemy if we re-evaluated our foreign policy - so perhaps that would be the first place to look - our support of Isreal regardless of the atrocities they do, and our willingness to be the friend of whoever happens to be giving us the cheapest price of oil. Sadam at one time was our friend, we sort of created him to some extent. We turned our back on him when we no longer needed him, and instilled hatred.
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  rwagoner

  I respect your opinion as well....but to say the President Bush wants "DESPERATELY to go to war" is a stretch. In my conversations I have found him to be nothing but a very genuine person and sincere in his Christian beliefs. I can not personally beleive that he DESPERATLEY wants to put American sons and daughters in harms way, no more than he wishes for the loss of innocent lives in Iraq.

  Noone, not even most military leaders, WANT to go to war. True there are always exceptions to that rule and there are those in the corporate world who stand to benefit but these "mongers" are still the exception, not the rule.

  America has a long tradition of trying to help those in need and, unfortunately, many of those same people use that against us. They know we will help and use our deep pockets until they've expended our generosity and then they return the favor by arming themselves against us and using religion as a focus and a means of retaliation. I'm certainly not a diplomat so I will leave the ins and outs of international policy to them knowing that there are those who know far more about the situation than I do.

  Wishing for Peace and Guidance for those is positions of Power,

  RandyW
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  Francois

  Pettygrudger you have said that Kuwait closed off one of the few rivers of fresh water available to Iraq. Show me on this map which river you're talking about: [More below]

  I would also like to know how ANY river north of the equator and south of 66.6 degrees north lattitude, with few exceptions, flows NORTH, as any river the Kuwaitees could cut off would have to do. Um, the Persian Gulf is SALT and doesn't have any river flowing NORTH into Iraq.

  Please clarify.

  francois
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  ISP

  I don't think it is about oil......the US will have plenty of it when it all runs dry in the middle east in the next 50 yrs or so....the US will do well to allow the UN into the picture rather than going it alone.

  ISP
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  logical

  here is more going on than the "Saddam is evil" crap in this war. Its all about boosting economies and "saddam is evil" line is just bullshit. I agree with sf, stop this crazy bloodshed for oil. No human life should be wasted for financial or material gain. Its pathetic.

  Bush is a manipulator, his whole regime is manipulative, and those who cant see it need to wake up. It is so amazing how people can escape bondage of the Tower yet remain blind captives in a similar prison, where the captors are not religion leaders but political ones.

  Im not sayiong Saddam is squeaky clean, cos he sure isnt, but his past sins are being used as an excuse for th Wests evil goals. IMO there are far more important issues to deal with than a man with a shady past. Like those who are actively terrorising people.
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  pettygrudger

  Francois - all I can reply is

  Rhonda (of the oops the demons made me write this class).
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  DakotaRed

  Once again, I sit and watch as history repeats itself. Not that it is repeating another war, but that many so uninformed wish to do anything to avert it, to the point of allowing themsleves to be deluded as to the dangers facing the world today. Convincing so many that it is only about oil has been a clever and effective ploy as so many have fallen for that line, hook, line and sinker.

  Not that what is said on this forum matters to men like Saddam, but the attitude in general once again permeates throughout society. Tyrants such as Saddam see this attitude and use it to their advantage. General Giap saw it during the Vietnam war and used it to wait the US out, which resulted in a whole nation being sold out and eventually enslaved under another Communistic regime. Adolf Hitler saw it in the discussions and subsequent agreement with Neville Chamberlain, all the while building bigger and better weaponry and concentration camps which would result in millions of deaths, not to mention many millions more of those who ended up fighting in one of the bloodiest wars this planet saw during the 20th Century. He too was under League of Nations sanctions, but was allowed to rebuild and rearm while the world looked the other way.

  George Bush Sr. had his hands pretty much tied during the Persian Gulf war as to ridding the world of Saddam Hussein, by the shaky international coalition put together to force the Iraqis out of Kuwait. Bill Clinton came into office for 8 years and much of what was put together to contain Saddam was left to fall by the way side. Now, Geroge Bush Jr. is responding to a horrendously violent attack on western civilization and attempting to reinstitute those measures to once again ensure Saddam isn't building or readying use of weapons of mass destrudction, and he is villified.

  Yes, I hope and pray that Saddam can be stopped long before he has enough weapons of mass destruction to unleash them on the west, but as I see history repeating itself by the leftists amongst us, all I see is an even bloodier war on the horizon coming to take these weapons away from Saddam, if there is anyone left to do it by then. Make no mistake about it, if Saddam gains these weapons, he will use them. Maybe not directly against the US, but surrounding nations will feel their impact.

  Live and let live is a great sloagn and idealistic way of life, but it will never work until you convince others to also follow it. Men like Saddam have no intentions of living and let live.

  Lew W
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  wednesday

  My son was in KoSoVo and may have to go to Iraq. Saddamn wil not stop until he has overturned our way of life. It is our way of life that is hated. We really have no choice but ot go and defend it or let them kill us. I don't want to live in terror.

  BORN IN THE USA