by onacruse 28 Replies latest jw friends
I was watching the O'reilly Factor lsst night and some researcher said that 93% of the people LIE!
If something is none of your business,it's none of your business. If I promise not repeat something, I will not repeat it. I was asked once if I can keep a secret and I answered yes, the person asking me the question said, so can I, end of discussion.
Guest 77
UD and Guest77: hehe...must go to bed now (4 hours and up...sheesh). Will follow this up tomorrow
Craig
Edited by - onacruse on 30 October 2002 5:6:4
SaintSatan,
Some of these people use lies or misdirection as a policy to protect themselves or others. Maybe that's a trait of the irish. Anyway, i don't know if one should condemn those lies.
In the context of the example you were giving, that of people helping other people, there might be a need to lie.
Now, as regards the Society in, say, dealing with the press over molestation issues, such lying has been properly condemned here before.
A long time back, someone pointed out the counsel of Christ at Matt. 10:16 : "Look! I am sending you forth as sheep amidst wolves; therefore prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves." And examples were cited where Christ appears to okay lies, deception, misdirection, and so on.
This brings up an interesting point: if someone puts you in a position where you feel you have to lie (for your own safety, as in concealing something about you that you reasonably feel they'd react with extreme violence to, as one example), who is at greater fault--the liar or the person who makes you afraid to be truthful?
Granted the obvious answer is "Well, I'll tell the truth and God/Allah/The One/Etc. will protect me for doing right" (for those who believe in a Supreme Deity). For those who feel there are serious reasons not to believe, then hasn't the person forcing you to lie (if pressed) committed the graver offense? OTOH, if you claim belief and yet lie, isn't this lie a loss of faith on your part?
Sometimes you have to lie to cover your arse: for example..My boss asks me where's the no scan report, I tell her, 'I never got the report', when the truth is I forgot to do it.
Sometimes, you have to lie to protect peoples feelings: For example, 'Is this pimple on my nose really noticable?" The kind ans. would be: "Not at all, don't worry about it."
IMO.
Good question craig,
I have been so damn honest after leaving dubland and facing reality, and having learned, if your real, and goodhearted, .....it's the best poicy.
Buuuuuut, I do wonder if it's always WISE when I lately have re-evaluated many things.I definately am not as sensative about the government gettin a screwin now and then. They don't seem to care much about giving it back when you need it, and piss off plenty of what I give.
I don't thing growin some "funny plants" would bug me too much either!
Is honesty the BEST policy? Nope.
Sometimes. But not always.
For those families that hid jewish people during WWII in Europe, do you think HONESTY would have been a good policy?
I get sick and tired of people saying "I call it like I see it, you can't fault me for being honest" Yes I can. Should you out and out lie to people, no of course not. That's not what I am talking about. But to use "honesty" as a way to pass off your rude crass social ineptness is stupid, and not fair to those of us who know when tact is needed, and know when saying nothing at all is better than "telling it like it is". You have to ask yourself in all your honest rehetoric, are you really helping this person by being "honest" with them, or are you serving your own need to be heard and be "right". I think for the most part people who spout off about how "honest" they are, they are doing so to excuse themselves for being rude. If you are honest in all your dealings you should not have to brag about it, or even talk about it. People will know.
This and the Double Life thread made me think about when I first became a liar. I think it must have been one of the many times I got out of going to meetings with one excuse or another. One can thank the incessant requirement to go to the Kingdom Hall and in field service for that! *LOL* I never endorse lying, but I have and sometimes I do as butalbee said to cover ones ass on the job.
jo...yes honesty and tact should always be used together...unless of course we're talking about naughty things ..eheh...
Sincerely,
District Overbeer
Applause Applause Joanna!!!!!!!!!
XW
I just love the WTS's reasoning on being completely honest. They can "decide" if a person has the "right to know" a certain thing. Well, I can honestly say, the elders in my area don't have the right to know a single darn thing about me...hehehe.
Thanks for all your comments!
Yesterday, as I was thinking about this issue, it suddenly dawned on me...
THE ONLY TIME I EVER FELT HESITANT TO BE HONEST AND OPEN ABOUT MY FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS WAS WHEN I WAS IN THE ORG. There was always a price to pay.
In my business dealings, "telling it like it is" never hurt me, and usually helped me. It was not always well received, but I never got fired for it. Actually, it usually enhanced my reputation...I was not just another "yes" man.
In my personal dealings, sharing how I felt was only a problem with JWs. "Worldly" people respected me for it; and more often than not they reciprocated.
Yet another piece of flotsam and jetsam from my being raised as a Witness.
<<watching it float on down the river behind me...good riddance>>
Craig
