Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. Blood.

by Focus 51 Replies latest jw friends

refiners fire

..."A DOCTRINE MUST NEVER BE WILLING TO SHARE WITH ANOTHER,IT CANNOT BE WILLING TO COLLABORATE WITH AN EXISTING ORDER,WHICH IT CONDEMNS,IT FEELS OBLIGATED TO COMBAT WITH THE WHOLE WORLD OF EXISTING IDEAS WITH ALL POSSIBLE MEANS, THAT IS, IT MUST PREPARE ITS DOWNFALL"....
The movement must be opposed to existing institutions.
The writer then speaks of manufacturing simple slogans which must be endlessly repeated so as to ignite the organizations followers to action.He says that,once something has been revealed as doctrine to the masses,it must NEVER be altered or changed. It must be viewed by the masses as infallible truth:
...."SINCE THE PROGRAMME OF THE MOVEMENT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN ITS AIMS..WITH A DOCTRINE IT IS LESS HARMFULL TO RETAIN A FORMULATION, EVEN IF IT SHOULD PROVE TO, LATER, NOT CORRESPOND TO REALITY, RATHER THAN IMPROVING IT AND EXPOSE A GRANITE PRINCIPLE TO DISCUSSION. FOR HOW SHALL WE CONVINCE THE PEOPLE TO HAVE BLIND FAITH IN THE TRUTH OF OUR DOCTRINE IF WE OURSELVES SPREAD UNCERTAINTY BY CHANGING IT?"....
The writer then explains that Doctrine, even if proven false by events
must remain infallible in the interests of UNITY.
The masses must "MARCH IN STEP". Regarding the purveying of information within the organization:
..."IT IS NOT NECESSARY THAT THE INDIVIDUAL SHOULD OBTAIN A FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE AIMS OF THE MOVEMENT AND THE THOUGHT PROCESSES OF THE LEADERS.
WHAT IS NECESSARY IS THAT A FEW REALLY GREAT IDEAS BE MADE CLEAR...AND BURNED INEXTINGUISHABLY INTO HIM. SO THAT HE IS ENTIRELY PERMEATED BY THE NECESSITY OF VICTORY, IS TRAINED IN RIGID DISCIPLINE, AND IN FAITH IN THE JUSTNESS OF THE CAUSE.
HE MUST BE WILLING TO STAKE HIS LIFE FOR THE CAUSE WITHOUT RESERVATION".....
The writer then recommends endless drill, and repetition of slogans to brainwash the masses.
The book: Mein Kampf,pages 414-416
MAYBE RUTHERFORD AND HIS CRONIES READ IT AFTER ALL!!
Edited by - refiners fire on 5 November 2002 1:11:26
JoRiz

>>Just say whether you think Hitler was justified in the wholesale extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, including children and infants because of "some" Jews who were probably jerks. Well, do you think he was justified? If "yes," explain your answer. If "no," then explain your statement above or give ANY justification for what Hitler did en masse to the Jewish people. >>
No I don't think any murder such as this is justified. But do you know some Anti-zionist JEWS feel the Holocaust was a punishment from God?
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=176137&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
One point I want to make is one dealing with numbers. Which is worse killing six million people or twenty Million?
Stalin is estimated to have killed 20 MILLION people. Who's crying for them? Problem is it happened under the leadership of some very high in command JEWS according to the highly TRUTHFULL Culture of Critique
http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/Preface.htm
The Soviet government killed over 20 million of its own citizens, the vast majority in the first 25 years of its existence during the height of Jewish power. It was a state against its people (Werth 1999), mounting murderous campaigns of collective punishment (usually involving deportation or forced starvation) against a great many ethnic groups, including Great Russian peasants, Ukrainians, Cossacks, Chechens, Crimean Tatars, Volga Germans, Moldavians, Kalmyks, Karachai, Balkars, Ingush, Greeks, Bulgars, Crimean Armenians, Meskhetian Turks, Kurds, and Khemshins as groups (Courtois 1999, 10; Werth 1999, 219ff). Although individual Jews were caught up in the Bolshevik violence, Jews were not targeted as a group. 24
You won't read to much about the Soviet holocaust because the Jews are embarrassed by it.
JoRiz
refiners fire

A line of arguement repeated endlessly, and specifically favoured, by "Identity" believers. Hey Jo. Which tribe are you from? Are the "Jews" Edomites or Serpent seed?
Edited by - refiners fire on 5 November 2002 1:30:48
Focus

JoRiz wrote on Nov 4, 2002 23:24:
>>PROFITEERING, CONSCIENCELESS, SELFISH JEWS CONTROLLING FINANCE
[Snip racist BS from WTS, and Focus's adverse comment thereon]
Focus has done a lot of research. Now only if he could research the Jews themselves. The finger pointing at others has three pointing back at them for their own problems they would rather keep under the rug.
For a good HONEST critique of the Jewish people in America I would suggest the scholarly work The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald. That should shut up FOCUS.
http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/Preface.htm
JoRiz
Edited by - JoRiz on 4 November 2002 23:31:4
My emboldening.
THE LINK JOE RIZOLI FINALLY GAVE
Firstly, the reference to http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/Preface.htm is quite funny, I guess.
In a post a little while later, JIM Rizoli also endorsed it.
If Joe Rizoli thinks that it would "shut up FOCUS", well, he don't know Focus. That text there does not attempt to deny the Holocaust. The author, Kevin Macdonald, is Professor of Psychology at California State University. His relevant book, third in the series, is "The Culture of Critique". IMO, the author seriously less intelligent than quite a few on this board and quite a few in this thread alone, but he is not a fool for sure. What he has written is often quoted by revisionists, and presented as meaning something it does not actually state (since it is a long book, the revisionists do not really think you are going to read the whole book - instead, you will trust what they say it contains, a bit like how the Watchtower wanted you to trust the quotes they present in their Evolution book). I summarize his work on this as saying:
High population densities push together cultures that differ hugely. The individuality and recognizability of groups who share beliefs (or origins or ethnicity, I would add) is threatened by that. As territorialization is ruled out, this encourages such groups to band tightly together, form closely-knit bonds and vigorously defend their beliefs against any "erosion" (as such erosion would cause a loss of identity).
I doubt that the author would agree with my summary, because it makes it clear the work is No Big Deal. Common sense, much of it.
The author selects the Jews as his target sample. Needless to say, he finds lots of evidence of bad practises among Jews, because of the above-stated reasons. Even if I accept all his evidence as being true, all it exhibits is the baseness of human nature, as opposed to the baseness of Jewish nature.
Had the author selected some other group subject to similar conditions, I'd expect they would behave the same way too - human nature, after all. But he did not. Why not? I do not see any evidence of a control. Perhaps he should have consulted some mathematicians first.
See here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=28676-3D30EB9D-105%40storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net
for a masterful demolition of Macdonald's "scholarship", worthy of Focus. It concludes:
"Macdonald is a committed intellectual antisemite selling his wares via
academia and he merits the widest and greatest possible exposure and
censure for his so-called scholastic activities."
P-L-O-P goes Rizoli's "Man".
Prowess? Macdonald was an expert witness for David Irving in his recent libel action against Penguin Books Ltd and Deborah Lipstadt. David Irving lost the case.
Read all about it in:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david
The "expert" statement submitted by Macdonald had me laughing. No wonder Irving lost.
A casual search in Usenet throws up:
http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm=c83d0173.0108201959.f9fb1e5%40posting.google.com
and you can follow a demolition of racist kookery in alt.revisionism; about 300 posts in the 2001 thread. Make sure you click on "Messages before 21 Aug 2001" too, to see them all. The revisionists and white-supremacists lose the argument, and badly. And there are far better rebuttals.
Macdonald is anti-censorship. So am I - good, one thing in common at least.
If you do a search for Macdonald's works on Usenet, his supporters (no implication that this is with his endorsement or knowledge) very often sign off with some variation of:
"RAHOWA! DELENDA EST JUDAICA!
http://www.creator.org
"Christianity was invented by the Jews as a tool with which to destroy the white race." -- Ben Klassen
One might wonder which Bible Jim Rizoli defends. Is there another wholly rewritten one, then, with the Jewish bits removed? Perhaps I know already.
Here is something from another of Macdonald's apparent fans:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=945q2o%248te%241%40nnrp1.deja.com
Puke bag ready!
the Jews .. are the most sinister and dangerous parasites in all history.. Our first and foremost problem in saving the White RAce from
mongrelization.. getting the Jews, niggers and mud races off

Enough of this sick filth.
MUCH MORE "INTERESTING" - THE LINK JOE RIZOLI FIRST GAVE
Several picked up the link which Joe edited out and replaced after he first post. It was to:
http//cptwc.matriots.com/jews25.html
which (for me) produces a blank page. Not a dead link. Invitational for a little peek around by a friend of mine:
The host website is:
http://cptwc.matriots.com/
which describes itself on its opening page as:
CPTWC is a non-profit, White nationalist entity and database located in America
and later:
The purpose of the CPTWC website is to educate the White Western public about the ongoing attacks upon White culture by Jews and non-Whites.
Using this website, we warn that White Western culture will soon end, unless White people take aggressive measures to prevent that ending.

A slight modification to the pagename Joe gave - to the obvious jews.html so the link is: http//cptwc.matriots.com/jews.html gives us an index of articles such as:
Why Jews Are a Problem, Simplified
What is a Jew?
Why Jews Are Communists
Jews In The Black Organization NAACP
THE HIGH AND LOW OF JEWISH MONEY-POWER
Holocaust Orthodoxy: The Road Paved with Moral Certainty
French Leftist Challenges Jewish Holocaust Story
Auschwitz: The Final Count
Auschwitz: Myths and Facts (Weber)
How to Recognize Jewish Names
Quotes About Jews From Various People
etc.
I am sure you get the "drift" by now..
While at it, the same website first pointed to by Joe Rizoli has on it on page http://cptwc.matriots.com/racial.html the following:
Some Physical Differences Between Blacks and Whites
The Lesson Of Africa: White Rule Is The Best Rule
etc. There you can read about black people (I quote very lightly, for obvious reasons) from http://cptwc.matriots.com/racial1.html :
Black women not having as shapely legs as Whites.. The Negro skull, in addition to having a smaller brain volume .. face .. in the manner of an animal's muzzle.. jaw .. a distinguishing characteristic of apes.. mucous membrane similar to an ape.. arms and legs .. approximating the simian form.. eye .. like that of a gorilla.. pelvis .. as it is in an ape.. Negro skin has a thick superficial horny layer.. neck akin to that of anthropoids.. cranial sutures .. more simple than in the white type.. ears .. thus approaching the simian form.. spine .. thus more characteristic of an ape.. two bones proper of the nose are .. as in apes.. Blood group studies made during WWII suggest the American Negro gene pool is about 28% white.. Keep in mind that the results of test from true Black Africans would show even bigger differences from Whites.
On http://cptwc.matriots.com/links.html - another "index" page on the site, you get to the recommended links section, which include ads for all sorts of virulent Anti-Jewish hate material and Aryan Supremacy trash, including Stormfront, "Jew Watch", at least two eugenics websites and CODOH / Institute for Historical Review (two Holocaust revisionist sites containing all sorts of ludicrous errors).
Nice cyber-company you keep, Joe (Jim too!) - or perhaps you were not aware of any of this stuff while you go surfing around posting links to a public forum that land me directly in such truly disgusting places?
Fits in with Brother Jim's mention (without criticism) of the crackpot Ditlieb Felderer ("expert" defense witness for Holocaust-Denier Zundel in his recent trial; Zundel lost - Felderer was rightly DF'd by the WTS) in http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39853&site=3&page=1 and the pushing (without criticism) of the totally ludicrous http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm in http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39903&site=3 ?
Here is what you need to know about these two losers:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/f/felderer-ditlieb/
And, to deal with the ludicrous "Holohoax.htm" - on its first page it relies on the discredited "expert" Leuchter, and claims that the diary of Anne Frank (a child murdered by Nazis) is a forgery, I give you:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/leuchter-fred/
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/f/frank-anne/press/anne-frank-001.html
I have no affiliation or connection with any of the websites mentioned. My scientific writing debunking a couple of the fraudster revisionists has been used somewhere within the 1000s of pages exposing these disgraceful people.
Jim and Joe - you ought to be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. IMO, your "leanings" make you a liability to anti-WTS campaigners. "Who could trust the judgment of such people?"
WHACK!!!!
--
Focus
(Anti-Nazi Genius Black Jewish Female Irish Atheist Mexican Lesbian Aboriginal Invalid Slav Pro-Wrestler Gypsy Anti-cult Class)
Focus

Farkel, Farkel....
JoRiz wrote on Nov 5, 2002 01:15 :
[Farkel wrote:]>>Just say whether you think Hitler was justified in the wholesale extermination of 6,000,000 Jews, including children and infants because of "some" Jews who were probably jerks. Well, do you think he was justified? If "yes," explain your answer. If "no," then explain your statement above or give ANY justification for what Hitler did en masse to the Jewish people. >>
No I don't think any murder such as this is justified. But [snip]
I cut the rest of its material as it only relates to mass-murders of other people by the Soviets under Stalin, and therefore is wholly irrelevant to the point. I'll ignore your claim: "Problem is it happened under the leadership of some very high in command JEWS"; it is highly misleading to say the least, but also irrelevant to the question.
Just two questions, please, Joe, with [YES} or [NO] answers.
1. Did you know that you failed to answer Farkel's question? Your reply "I don't think any murder such as this is justified" of course does not acknowledge that such an extermination (or "murder" as you use) by the Nazis took place at all
[YES / NO]
2. Do you believe that Hitler and the Nazis were responsible for the extermination of about six million people (mainly Jews, the balance made up of gypsies, homosexuals and others) +/- 15% ?
[YES / NO]
Thanks
--
Focus
(Keen Interest Class)
refiners fire

acknowledge that such an extermination (or "murder" as you use) by the Nazis took place at all
[YES / NO]
2. Do you believe that Hitler and the Nazis were responsible for the extermination of about six million people (mainly Jews, the balance made up of gypsies, homosexuals and others) +/- 15% ?
[YES / NO]

Hmmmmmm. HMMMMMMMMM. HMM.
Refiner rubs chin contemplatively, contemplating which is the right answer that wont get him publicly shot!
disposable hero of hypocrisy

Marking....
Raton

marked for later. ty.
Focus

Folks:

You can't possibly hope to follow what actually happened here from the tiny residue of posts and threads remaining visible on j-w.net

You can guess, and some of your guesses will be correct, but I assure you that some will not.

This thread, almost the sole survivor, was commenced by me with foreknowledge of what it was likely to provoke. My expectations were fully and rapidly met. (It wouldn't have been an issue if I'd been mistaken - the material I presented is bulletproof, and variations of it have been borrowed by many others since).

I estimate that not only were hundreds of posts, but also up to dozens of threads (about a third of which were directed exclusively "at" me - and I do mean "at") were, much later, deleted.

I have no doubts whatsoever that this delayed cyberworld mass-extinction-event had nothing at all to do with censorship (though some disgusting, kiddie-unsafe material was probably censored at the time) but due to threats, takedown requests or pleas, from the dear ********, *********** ****** ****** ***** ***i ******* involved. I'm only guessing.

I'd have been happier if the material - including the many posts making explicit physical threats against me and my deemed accomplices - were all left in place, as since that time there have been concerted and determined attempts to deny that any of this ever even happened, and to claim the perpetrator(s) was(were) themself(ves) the victim(s) of forgery!

This is as Hitler had advised, I guess (Mein Kampf p134 of the first English edition):

All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, where as in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. Schopenhauer called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies". Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.

I comprehend why what was done very probably had to be done.

An amusing byline is that I had forewarned those responsible that this would come back to haunt them.

It sure did come back and haunt "them", lol.

Google won't help you find how, except for minor SPLC or police-related material, and the matter is very far from over even as we write... though several friends hope it is. All off j-w.net

After the necessary ejections, the babbling had carried over to another place, now defunct. And thereafter to several others.

JanH knows a good part of the story, as do Reborn and a handful of others. I have the misfortune of knowing almost the whole lot, alas.

Including the name of the Brazilian building contractor leading to the ultimate bust-up of the tag team, and whose ****** **** with which *******, and the poor ladies who have since suffered greatly.

In summary - a useful flushing and winnowing was accomplished here, but the problem was merely moved elsewhere, and brought out into the open for a while.

The collection of e-mailed or otherwise propagated death- or physical- threats I have accumulated as a result of this single episode would make for an excellent jokebook in themselves.

I am not going to expand further on this, and yet gain am minded to be grateful that the ownership of this site lay, and lies, in wise hands. Hence my sig for this post.

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Focus

("Simon" Class)
designs

There just aren't enough Parole officers....

Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. Blood.

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