"Don't you love Jehovah anymore then ?"

by Phizzy 25 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Mrs Phizzy ran into a JW lady from a neighbouring Congo who has known us since we were teenagers, before we married, sometime in the Pleistocene era LOL.

    During the conversation said lady asked if Mrs Phizzy was going to the R.C, to which Mrs Phizzy replied, "Oh you haven't heard, we no longer go to Meetings".

    The JW lady then came back with the question in the Thread title, which Mrs Phizzy handled well.

    The point of this is though, what a god-awful, stupid, cult-minded question to ask !

    Did she think we woke up one morning and thought "We don't love god anymore" ?? Would that happen to anyone ?

    Of course, the question is driven by the JW propaganda/mind-control expression that people like us have "turned our back on Jehovah".

    The longer we are away from the JW World of Weird the more we see how controlled their minds are.

  • Splash
    Splash

    I'm pleased Mrs Phizzy handled it well.

    I would probably have said that I still love God but the WT's constantly changing teachings and repeated demands for more money show that they no longer represent God. They have become televangelists which we were always told to stay clear of.

  • millie210
    millie210

    I would love to hear what Mz Phiz said in reply!

    I havent been asked that yet but my mindset is that is that in talking to someone who believes in Jehovah (a JW) how can they possibly think that the God of the universe - omnipotent and all powerful who "does not dwell in buildings built by human hands" (Acts 17:24) only be accessed at the assembly?

    Of course, as I stated above...no one has asked me yet and I dont know how I would phrase it in a way that was succinct and yet respectful enough that they might be jarred in to thinking about my response.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    You should have said that its pretty hard to believe in something that most likely doesn't exist.

  • John Aquila
    John Aquila
    millie210
    my mindset is that is that in talking to someone who believes in Jehovah (a JW) how can they possibly think that the God of the universe - omnipotent and all powerful who "does not dwell in buildings built by human hands" (Acts 17:24) only be accessed at the assembly?

    I like that millie210, I'm going to use that for meetings at the Kingdom Hall

  • opusdei1972
    opusdei1972
    That kind of emotional trap is what the organization uses to enslave their members. So, if you leave the organization your are abandoning Jehovah. This is not a rational argument, but an emotional trap to attenuate the lies of this religion.
  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    It is weird when I hear the things they say now or ask me. Like mrs fmf. Talking about "jehovah in your life..." this and that. Gives me chills its so strange. Cultish.
  • Closer to Fine
    Closer to Fine
    Jw's even take it a step further sometimes. Not only was I accused of not loving jehovah anymore, I was accused of worshipping satan. Some truly believe that if you're not a baptized jw you must be a worshiper of satan. It's one or the other, there is no middle ground.
  • blondie
    blondie

    I have a few people from my jw past that no longer attend, but still struggle with whether god is with the WTS and that all religions are flawed and the WTS is least flawed. I asked them:

    1) Would you have gone to worship (or could you have) god at the temple when this was going on inside?

    (Ezekiel 8:5-18) . . .. 6 And he went on to say to me: “Son of man, are you seeing what great detestable things they are doing, the things that the house of Israel are doing here [for me] to become far off from my sanctuary? And yet you will see again great detestable things.” 7 Accordingly he brought me to the entrance of the courtyard, and I began to see, and, look! a certain hole in the wall. 8 He now said to me: “Son of man, bore, please, through the wall.” And I gradually bored through the wall, and, look! there was a certain entrance. 9 And he further said to me: “Go in and see the bad detestable things that they are doing here.” 10 So I went in and began to see, and, look! there was every representation of creeping things and loathsome beasts, and all the dungy idols of the house of Israel, the carving being upon the wall all round about. 11 And seventy men of the elderly ones of the house of Israel, with Ja·az·a·ni′ah the son of Sha′phan standing in among them, were standing before them, each one with his censer in his hand, and the perfume of the cloud of the incense was ascending. 12 And he proceeded to say to me: “Have you seen, O son of man, what the elderly ones of the house of Israel are doing in the darkness, each one in the inner rooms of his showpiece? For they are saying, ‘Jehovah is not seeing us. Jehovah has left the land.’” 13 And he continued on to say to me: “You will yet see again great detestable things that they are doing.” 14 So he brought me to the entrance of the gate of the house of Jehovah, which is toward the north, and, look! there the women were sitting, weeping over the [god] Tammuz. 15 And he further said to me: “Have you seen [this], O son of man? You will yet see again great detestable things worse than these.” 16 So he brought me to the inner courtyard of the house of Jehovah, and, look! at the entrance of the temple of Jehovah, between the porch and the altar, there were about twenty-five men with their backs to the temple of Jehovah and their faces to the east, and they were bowing down to the east, to the sun. 17 And he went on to say to me: “Have you seen [this], O son of man? Is it such a light thing to the house of Judah to do the detestable things that they have done here, that they have to fill the land with violence and that they should offend me again, and here they are thrusting out the shoot to my nose? 18 And I myself also shall act in rage. My eye will not feel sorry, neither shall I feel compassion. And they will certainly call out in my ears with a loud voice, but I shall not hear them.”

    --------------Would a faithful Israelite been able to worship in a clean way in that temple with those people? No they would have stayed home with his family.

    2. Does a worshiper of God have to attend meetings or festivals to be faithful.

    Naaman, a Syrian, became a worshipper, but did not have to go to the temple to worship or live in Israel. In fact he helped the king to worship false gods in a temple. Can you imagine a jw going to a church and supporting their non-jw father/mother in their worship? The WTS says:

    -----------It works if they listen long enough. Most must have slept during the meeting when these points were brought out. But it convinces me everyday that I did the right thing based on what their bible says and how they conveniently apply it to fit any situation.

    *** w05 8/1 p. 9 par. 3 Highlights From the Book of Second Kings ***

    5:18, 19—Was Naaman requesting forgiveness for having to participate in a religious act? The Syrian king evidently was old and weak and had to lean upon Naaman for support. When the king bowed down in worship to Rimmon, Naaman did also. For Naaman, though, it was a purely mechanical act, strictly for the purpose of supporting the body of the king and not for rendering worship. Naaman was asking Jehovah to forgive him for performing this civil duty. Believing Naaman, Elisha said to him: “Go in peace.”

  • millie210
    millie210

    Those are great points Blondie!

    They actually mirror the corruption I see occurring in the Org now. Instead of loathsome beasts and carvings, we have Pharrell Williams choreographed songs and corrupt elders...and if a pedophile welcome at meetings isnt a loathsome beast - what is?

    disclaimer: the above is no offense to Pharrell and his song which are perfectly fine. Its the misapplication coming from people who drone on and on about a stick built structure being Jehovahs "house" in hushed reverent tones that is the actual abomination.

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