When is it really over...................???

by inaweout 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • inaweout
    inaweout

    I am a newcomer to this site, and a curious one at that.

    I have been dating a guy who was / is to some degree, a JW. Although he no longer attends meetings, and does not share JW's beliefs, he is active in other ways. For example, he is active on this site; he spends a good deal of time referencing his past life as a JW; and, he gets very angry (but not towards me) every time he hears or thinks about the JW's.

    Although I have never been a JW, nor will I ever fully understand the meaning and/or purpose of the JW beliefs, I have done some research and albeit unsubstantiated, I think it's a forum for people who may have had some difficult times, perhaps lonely, naive, and extremely vulnerable. I think when reality sets in and they no longer are able to be 'brainwashed', members and their families are so deeply involved that it's nearly impossible to break free and be guilt free. A member that finds their way out, and regains their independence, is snubbed by everyone who continues to believe in the JW philosophy and ultimately loses touch will all friends and family. A hardship that is, to many ex-JW's, just as unbearable. Irony: You are doomed if you do and doomed if you do not!

    I often wonder........... Does a JW ever really move on? If so, what is the average timeframe for the healing process to be completed?

    Thank you for your time.

  • animal
    animal

    Your only doomed if you let yourself be doomed. A person can get past anything, with or without family or friends. All you need is yourself.

    Animal

  • LB
    LB

    Like all things timeframes are different for all of us. I think some never get over it. I was only a witness for a few years, so getting out wasn't as difficult on me as others. But it's still tough. You have family to consider. You've left behind any non JW friends and leaving means you leave everyone. They won't hang with ya when ya quit.

    Someone who can get out in the community and do things will recover faster too. Gotta be active.

  • cellomould
    cellomould

    Hey there inaweout,

    Your guy friend is certainly not abnormal for someone who has left JWs...in fact, as I read your comments, I was not entirely sure that it had not been written by my girlfriend. (She is also a non-ex-JW) But then I remembered that she has been sleeping for quite some time now.

    You make some keen observations. While much of what you said is inference, there is quite a lot of truth in your explanation of what you have observed. So have you asked him to express his feelings?

    Just be careful to let him express these things for himself. I know from personal experience that people hate to be 'told how they feel'.

    About your 'moving on' question...

    I think my life will be a continuum of learning. I am no longer afraid of reshaping my view of my place in the world. If that implies that I 'never move on', so be it. In my opinion, it's a long process of 'moving on', yes.

    Thanks for your comments,

    cellmould

  • joannadandy
    joannadandy

    Well said animal, I think we finally agree on something.

    I think there is never a timeframe on anything like this. And there are different degrees. I do come to this site to talk about the JW's but I am not obssessed. (Hell I mostly just post fluff crap here) I don't reasearch, and I don't try to change the religion. I do like to be a comfort to people who are leaving, thinking of leaving, just left, etc. because I know what's like and how unique a situation it is, and how hard it is for most people to understand.

    I don't fume and get worked up too often. It gets less and less with time. I really hardly ever think about it unless I am posting here, and even then...not so much. It was something that was such a huge part of my life for so long, I think as long as I am alive I will always have some crazy JW anecdote to share, and especially since some of my family is still in, it will always be a part of who I am, or who I was.

    It's like if you dyed your hair black for several years. Even if you stopped doing it, for a while your roots will start to show, and eventually it fades, but it takes a long time to get rid of it all. And even when it is all gone, you have pictures to remind you, and you will always remember the brief period of your life when you thought black hair was super cool. You'll either laugh or cry about how silly and naive you were. Only this is religion. The psychological scars can be deep and it's far more serious then hair dye.

  • Inquiry
    Inquiry

    Hi inaweout....

    Although it's a difficult experience, there is light at the end of that long, dark, JW tunnel. Yes it can be over, and yes, jws (exjws) can move on. Several people at this site are in various stages of moving on.

    I know the anger your boyfriend feels first hand. I felt that way right after the disillusionment of realizing that an organization that I had placed so much trust in betrayed that precious trust. Ask Enron employees and share holders how it feels to be betrayed. I'm sure many of them would feel much the same as an exjw. Many JWs (exjws) are not especially naive, lonely or socially inadequate. They, like me, were manipulated. Everyone can be manipulated. Everyone can be victimized. IMO, it's proper to be angry with those circumstances. It's like being robbed. It's a violation. Your boyfriend is right to feel that his standards have been breached. The anger stage takes as long as it takes to get over. If your boyfriend feels stuck in his anger and feels he should be moving past it by now, there are excellent resources out there. But that's up to your boyfriend, not you.

    What helped me is that I wanted to succeed, at first in spite of the WT, and then I realized that the WT just didn't mean that much ... I realized, they don't lose sleep because of what they do to people, why on earth should I expend time and energy on them. Why should I lose out on happiness and living a full, rich life because of them... The best revenge is to have a wonderful life... hey, it works for me! I made a list of some of the things I've always wanted to do and started doing them. I started to go on long walks, write, paint. Try new things. I threw out every last little bit of WT crap I had in my house, and believe me, it was everywhere... that was quite a task. Every step I took felt like a step forward, and though it took some time, I now feel healed. Not 100% mind you, The scars are there, but I'm happy, productive, and I have moved on.

    It may interest you to know that I visit this site because I feel a bond and empathy for people who went through a similar experience. It's a fairly unique experience, and most people, like you, just don't have a clue about it. It's healthy and productive to share with and support others. There is nothing strange about that and hey, it's a pleasant way to fill a couple of free hours.

    You intimated that people who have had this experience will never lead happy and successful lives or have the same in relationships. It seems to me that you are being somewhat naive. Your comment seems indicative more of someone who is not prepared to be involved with a person who has such deep and resounding issues. Quite frankly, you may not have the maturity and the patience to go the distance with this fellow. It's too bad that you seem to condemn the person recovering from victimization just because you can't relate to the experience. It may turn out that the experience works to smooth some of your boyfriend's rough edges, and creates a deeply empathetic, warmly affectionate and loving fella. Or not. Patience has it's rewards, but they're only for the worthy.

    In conclusion, I disagree with your conclusion. I was never doomed, just duped. It's was a temporary situation, and though I paid a high price, it's only history. And some day, it will be for your boyfriend too, with or without you.

    Your welcome

    Inq

  • Francois
    Francois

    Anger is a secondary emotion. It's primary emotion is hurt. The JWs apparently hurt him quite badly. Is his family relationship ruined? Mine was and I was angry for a long time. Still am to some degree. The length of recovery is different for everyone.

    What your boyfriend needs is unconditional, accepting, nonjudgemental love. He needs a Rock. Can you be a Rock? That's a big order. Think about it.

  • SloBoy
    SloBoy

    How long does it take to "get over it?". It's like that old backpacking answer: thirty miles in, thirty miles out.

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    When is it really over?

    I'm not sure if it ever is. I wish I could say. But I'm not even sure if I ever want it to be. Learning how to deal with the pain is a process...I guess it's one of those "it's the journey that counts, not the destination" type of things. I don't think the pain will ever completely go away. But my journey is filled with tools that help me cope in healthier ways every day and not just in the JW memories, but in every facet of my life. There are times I've dreaded the day the pain is no longer there. I guess I've looked at it as the moment when I don't care about that part of my life anymore. I hope that day never comes.

    Just my two cents,

    Andi

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    I don't really think for me , it will ever be completly over and forgotten. I understand what Billygoat is saying. If you forget about it, it might happen again. I think we will always be on guard and looking over our shoulders , so to speak , that we never fall in a trap again.

    Many of us are also surviors of other tragedies, as are many people from all religions and on other boards. This is just a good place to start your journey to understanding yourself, really finding yourself, and hearing that you are really normal, as normal as possible , because so many of us share the same experiences in our recovery.

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