Computers as smart as humans

by Satanus 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    IBM has a contract w the govt to build computers that are about equal to the computing power of the human brain. With the right software, they say, these computers could mimic humans. See http://www.sunspot.net/technology/bal-te.computer19nov19,0,902730.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines

    Most evolutionists and the wt both believe that we are only biological machines. Some religions and myself think that that is true, but that there is an added factor, a spirit that is meshed inside the human body. Whatever the case may be, do you think that computers will eventually displace or mix socially w humans?

    SS

  • RubyTuesday
    RubyTuesday
    mix socially w humans?

    You mean if I go to a cocktail party I might be talking to a computer instead of a person?? Hmmmm....Will I know?

    I keep thinking about Terminater and don't like the idea of them taking over.

    My computer is already smarter than me....

    BTW your link is not working.

    Edited by - rubytuesday on 20 November 2002 8:59:12

    Edited by - rubytuesday on 20 November 2002 9:2:29

  • LucidSky
    LucidSky

    Hmmmm... I've thought of this before and like all technology can see good and bad in it. But it will happen. We won't compete with computers though, we will integrate with them. Here goes:

    We are already replacing biological parts with mechanical or electronic ones. Artificial hearts, knees, ears, and even eyes soon, etc. The last one to go will probably be the brain. It's frightening and intriguing at the same time -- your mind is what defines you as a person.

    First there will be interfaces into the brain -- they already have a monkey that could control a device through electrodes in it's brain. Imagine playing games or unlocking your door with a thought. Reverse that, and make information available to the brain. Let's say you need all the formulas for a physics test tomorrow. Viola! You have them in a chip. With some sort of neural network you can eventually enhance your own memory and brain power. Basic education will be a thing of the past when you already know everything.

    With the ability to transfer consciousness, we will be at threshold of virtual immortality.

    Edited by - LucidSky on 20 November 2002 9:46:26

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    "displace or mix socially w humans?"

    Man, I hope so. Humans are ass-holes.

  • metatron
    metatron

    Artificial intelligence is a failure because the mind cannot be reduced to a
    simple set of rules. There have been articles published on this defeat - and
    what it implies about our world.

    metatron

  • breeze
    breeze

    Computers are already smarter than humans....

    120 gig hard drives...???...& ......3 gighertz, is probably already faster than most of us???

    Can you remember that much....I don't think so??? It never goes away, burned into the drive...never gets it wrong???

    Computers just can't reason, probably never will? I wouldn't want to trust one, after all it is hard enough to trust many humans to reason and come up with a good answer.....

  • pettygrudger
    pettygrudger

    Ruby said -

    I keep thinking about Terminater and don't like the idea of them taking over.

    Yes - but I could sense some wonderful advantages to having a 6-million dollar man around the house - couldn't you?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Ruby

    I can't get the link to work. I also wasn't able to imbed the url. The only thing i see as possible is copying/pasting. Maybe a computer wiz can do something w it.

    I don't see much threat from computers themselves, just from how they might be used by controling types. Then too, computers can be used protectively in relation to the intruders.

    Since i think that we monkeys have a higher spirit comingled, my question is would a spirit at one point decide to live inside a smart computer in a similar way. Seems to me i once saw a book w a title like that. If that were true, then you could have a spiritual/religious computer. Hee hee.

    SS

  • Simon
    Simon

    Having seen IBM 'in action' I will be amazed if this thing managed to spell its own name.

  • Valis
    Valis

    In case others were having probs accessing the article.

    By Michael Stroh
    Sun Staff
    Originally published November 19, 2002

    IBM Corp. has won a government contract to build two supercomputers whose speed, company officials say, could for the first time approach the theoretical raw processing power of the human brain.

    The $290 million contract between IBM and the Department of Energy was expected to be made public today at Supercomputing 2002, the annual high-performance computing conference being held this week in downtown Baltimore.

    Fast and even faster

    The first machine, dubbed ASCI Purple, will be capable of performing 100 trillion calculations per second when it's delivered in 2004, the company said. That would make it nearly three times faster than the world's reigning supercomputer champion, Earth Simulator, built for the Japanese government by the NEC Corp.

    The second machine, code-named Blue Gene/L and scheduled for delivery a year after ASCI Purple, is expected to be even quicker - churning through a maximum 360 trillion calculations per second.

    "It's an enormous leap forward," said Jack Dongarra, a University of Tennessee computer scientist who tracks the world's 500 most powerful computers.

    The machines, he said, would be "an engineering tour de force."

    The computers will be used mainly by scientists at the three national laboratories to assess the safety and reliability of the country's nuclear weapons stockpile.

    Once government researchers assessed the bombs simply by blowing them up. But since 1990 a testing ban has forced them to model explosions mathematically inside a computer instead.

    Government researchers say they plan to put the computers to a wide variety of other scientific uses - from modeling the complex behavior of stars to trying to predict earthquakes better by studying underground fault lines.

    The national laboratories - Los Alamos, Sandia and Lawrence Livermore - already own four of the five fastest computers in the world, but the two new machines are nonetheless expected to have a major impact on research.

    "It's like having an electron microscope when all the other scientists have a magnifying glass," said Mark Seager, who oversees high-performance computing at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California.

    Straight off the shelf

    The new IBM computers are examples of how the field of supercomputing has evolved.

    Once the custom-built equivalent of Formula One race cars, many of the world's fastest supercomputers are now constructed by wiring together the same electronic components found in any corner computer store.

    The only difference is that supercomputers use a lot more of them.

    The brains of ASCI Purple, for example, will be created from 12,544 standard IBM microprocessors. The chips are close cousins of the kind used in many Apple computers and Nintendo game machines, company officials said.

    Supercomputers have also grown more common over the years. Once confined to nuclear research and weather forecasting, the machines are now used to design aircraft, autos and drugs. They hunt for signs of extraterrestrial life and for quirks in human DNA. Banks employ them to detect credit card fraud while popular Internet search engine Google uses a simplified supercomputer to comb cyberspace.

    "It touches every area of science," says Dongarra.

    Brain-like power

    Some scientists contend that ASCI Purple could achieve another computing milestone - the first machine to exhibit the same raw computational power as the human brain.

    Hans Moravic, a researcher in the Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University, has estimated the brain can perform 100 trillion calculations per second.

    A robot with a computer like ASCI Purple as its brain could, if it had the right software, essentially mimic human behavior, he said.

    Supercomputers, of course, have already shown that they surpass human intelligence in some areas. In 1997 IBM's Deep Blue trounced chess champion Garry Kasparov in a highly publicized match.

    But quantifying the brain's calculating ability in computer terms is not easy, and comparisons between man and machine are hotly debated.

    "We're not expecting ASCI Purple to pick up a brush and paint the Sistine Chapel any time soon," said Dave Turek, vice president of deep computing at IBM.

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

    Edited by - Valis on 20 November 2002 17:3:44

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