New to board-1st post

by kril 33 Replies latest jw friends

  • Downunderandout
    Downunderandout

    Kril welcome

    there are many persons here that have had some sort contact with the wt, ex-jw's, current active/inactive jw's and those with family and/or friends that are or have been jw's.

    To leave or not to leave, now that is the big question, you will eventually arrive at your answer, many of us know how hard it is to answer and many of us have arrived at different conclusions. It's what right for you.

    The final straw for me was the realisation that the wt is a cult and uses cult techniques on members so they remain loyal. It was a hard conclusion to arrive at as I had to admit to myself that I allowed myself to be 'sucked in'. But after chatting to others that had been through the same or similar things I felt better, and from then on I have been on an incredible journey free of guilt and the freedom to choose for myself.

    Once again, welcome, enjoy

    duo

  • TR
    TR

    Another welcome from an old-timer to the newbies!

    Kril,

    If you don't want to be a 'hovah anymore but don't want to lose your family and friends, you'll have to do the "slow-fade" so as not to get marked or df'd.

    TR

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Welcome to you both, kril and Bootsie!

    Not having been on this board very long myself, all I can say is, the last 4 months here have very literally CHANGED MY LIFE!!!!!!!!

    IN EVERY WAY FOR THE BETTER

    I have every good reason to expect that you both will find a similar positive experience.

    Craig

  • Iwasyoungonce
    Iwasyoungonce

    Welcome to the forum Kril & Bootsie. I hope you explore around for awhile. My 2 pennies are true friends would not leave you.

  • PopeOfEruke
    PopeOfEruke

    Hi newbies,

    I am an inactive JW but not DA'd or DF'd. My mum is 85 and she has been an active witness since 1942 or something like that. I would agree it makes no sense for Mum to leave the truth, she has stuck with all these years and her mind is simply made up.

    I drifted away more than 10 years ago, I just couldn't be bothered going anymore. I would miss meetings for months, get the energy and attend again, and I saw "Same old crap, different day". I got awfully tired of the word "SOON". I cannot stand now to read this word, it appears hundreds of thousands of times in the magazines, and in every issue of the WT. My point is IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THE END IS COMING, THEN DON'T SAY ITS SOON!!!! Thats a lie and simply downright manipulative.

    So I decided to be true to myself; anyway the bible says everyone must stand on his own two feet before Jehovah, and if I knowingly go along to meetings out of fear of man while my conscience is telling me Somethings wrong here, then do you think Jehovah will excuse me?

    In the words of the Bard :

    "Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin'
    But I'll know my song well before I start singin"

    Best wishes to you both in your search for The Truth.

    The Pope

  • PopeOfEruke
    PopeOfEruke

    Francois

    maybe you haven't put your IKEA computer together properly? Maybe these instructions will help?

  • pettygrudger
    pettygrudger

    WELCOME BOOTSIE & KRIl

    I don't think anyone here will tell you what you should or shouldn't do - that's a personal decision only you should make. And of course you have to decide whats it worth to leave or stay in - to yourself.

    With that said, that doesn't stop you from examining your own beliefs - even the JW's encourage that (although they encourage you to test your faith from their publications).

    Do what feels right to you - and I look forward to hearing more from both of you!

  • PopeOfEruke
    PopeOfEruke

    Strange concidence?? My sisters dog was called Bootsie! She got eaten by a crocodile.... (the dog not my sister)..

    Pope

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Krill,

    Isn't that what baleen-eating whales eat? Just curious.

    : It seems that when I discuss things with people (i.e witness elders) they more or less don't listen to my arguements. They can't wait to jump into the conversation to put down what I just said.

    That's what every true believer does when their arguments are demolished and they don't have any more left. "Put down" doesn't mean they actually have any evidence, so it is another form of a red-herring/ad hominem. Clue: if they change the subject or attack you personally, they cannot defend their position. They are clueless and flailing their arms and doing whatever possible to make themselves look RIGHT. It's a trick. It shows they are clueless. If they had any REAL arguments they would not resort to those tactics.

    : If I don't agree with the WTBS view of things, what benifit do I get by leaving?

    Well, you can get patholigical liars out of your life forever, if you happen to think that just might be a benefit. I'm referrring specifically to WTS leaders. You want evidence? There is so much evidence that you will be reading it for the next three weeks just to scratch the surface. If you think it would be nice to get LIARS out of your life who've ruled your life, made your own life decisions for you, promised you stuff that never happened and will fuck you up if you disagree with them, then you just MIGHT consider that to be a benefit.

    : Why should I leave and loose all my family and friends? It seems like a lose-lose position

    That's how they control you. They offer you NOTHING but air and false promises. Then they control you to believe that air and false promises with the threat that you will lose all your family and friends if you not only don't continue to believe that shit, but also if you don't continue to promote and SELL that shit. That is to say, if you don't buy and sell their worthless books and magazines, they will find a way to mess up your life. This is a CULT we are talking about. There is no nicer way to put it. Once you are in and have surrendered yourself to them, they control your life and the lives of all the others who are in their control.

    It's up to you to stay or not stay, and if you leave, they will do their best to hurt you. Cults like to hurt people who quit believing in their crap. FEAR is a big tool used by Cults.

    Did Jesus ever hurt anyone and/or their families who quit believing in him? Think about it.

    Farkel

  • PopeOfEruke
    PopeOfEruke

    For clarification and edification:

    Baleen is a sieve-like device that Mysticeti (baleen whales) use to obtain nourishment ( krill , plankton , and other small organisms). Baleen is a series of stiff, flexible material that hang from the upper jaw. The inside of the baleen is edged with hairy plates that filter krill. Baleen is made of keratin (the same substance our fingernails and hair are made of). Baleen grows throughout a whale's life. The ends of a whales baleen are always wearing out.

    Pope

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