Who is coloured?

by Defender 48 Replies latest jw friends

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  larc

  LucyLucy, that proves that crime is an equal employment opportunity. Some take advantage of it and some don't.
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  bigboi

  So are you saying blacks and latinos are typically more violent than whites? Stats are stats and they do prove a point, but I'm not sure that going to jail is "characteristic" of black and latino cultures. It may be a harsh reality, but I also think they are victim to their surroundings and circumstances. I think you'd find an alarming co-relation to uneducation and poor living conditions in all the stats you provided.

  Going to jail is characteristic for black and latino young men, unfortunately. What u have to ask is why that is? Is it because black and latino men are more likely to commit crimes than the population in general? Or is it because they are likely to be convicted more often than the population in general. Frankly, I believe it's the latter. More later,

  Edited by - bigboi on 30 November 2002 21:25:58
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  LuckyLucy

  , that proves that crime is an equal employment opportunity.

  It also proves that certain ethnic groups choose this "opportunity"

  but I'm not sure that going to jail is "characteristic" of black and latino cultures. It may be a harsh reality, but I also think they are victim to their surroundings and circumstances. I think you'd find an alarming co-relation to uneducation and poor living conditions in all the stats you provided.

  Don't you think that character (characteristics)is something you develop by way of enviorment and influence?
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  back2dafront

  Well, to me a "characteristic" of someone implies a quality of their nature, or their persona. The way I see it, those are stats on latinos and blacks in America, but not characteristics of blacks and latinos. If they are true characteristics of them, then those stats would more than likely hold true across the whole world, but I really don't think that's the case. To use those stats as characteristics is implying that blacks and latinos are more or less criminals, and I just can't buy into that.

  Maybe I'm being niave or something.....

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  bigboi

  This was written by Leonard Pitts a writer for the Miami Herald. For some, race is never the answer

  It's always the little stuff that turns around to bite you on the backside.

  Case in point: A couple of weeks ago, I observed in this space that there is ''different justice in this country for those who are white enough or wealthy enough to afford it.'' I said this en route to a larger point and it never occurred to me that the remark was anything but a self-evident truth, one that required no explanation, much less a defense.

  Shows what I know. I've since heard from dozens of white women and men wounded by the contention that their skin color might buy them leniency in the criminal justice system. The influence of wealth, they didn't argue. But about whiteness, they had a conniption. Some even demanded that I produce proof.

  From my perspective, it's not unlike being asked to produce proof that fire is hot. But for the record:

  According to The Real War on Crime: The Report of the National Criminal Justice Commission, African Americans account for 13 percent of all regular drug users, but 35 percent of those arrested for drug possession, 55 percent of those convicted for drug possession and 74 percent of those imprisoned for drug possession. Then there's And Justice For Some, a 2000 study whose sponsors include the U.S. Justice Department itself. Researchers reported that black and Hispanic offenders receive harsher treatment than white ones with similar records at every step of the justice system. To cite just one finding: among kids who have not been in juvenile prisons before, a black defendant in a drug case is a whopping 48 times more likely to be incarcerated than a white one with the same record.

  There's more, but you get the point.

  I offer these statistics, by the way, only because I was asked and not out of any illusion that they will sway those who find it necessary to think race plays no part in the American justice system. I refuse to believe -- for the sake of my sanity as much as anything -- that they represent the predominant mind-set of my white countrymen and women. But it seems sadly obvious to me that, at the very least, they speak for a sizable minority.

  And truth to tell, it's not that such people fail to grasp the racial realities of the justice system that galls me most. Rather, it's the implication of that failure, what it says about the inability or unwillingness of some white people to accept the simple, obvious fact that, where race is concerned, America is a game rigged in their favor.

  For the life of me, I can't understand why some people find this so hard to see. I mean, where gender is concerned, the game is rigged in favor of men, with the possible exception of men in divorce courts. The point is not that all men are sexists, but that all benefit from a system that is. For a man to pretend otherwise flies in the face of the apparent. Just as it does for a white person to claim, in a nation with a recent history of racial apartheid, that whiteness does not have its privileges.

  Fact is, when it comes to making trouble go away, the only color superior to white is green. Ask O.J.

  As the kids say, I'm not mad at'cha. Indeed, one reason I've grown increasingly ambivalent -- not antagonistic, but ambivalent -- toward such issues as reparations and affirmative action is that I've grown increasingly weary of African Americans placing ourselves in positions where happiness depends on persuading white folks to ''do'' . . . whatever. I'll be a happy man the day we decide to place as much of our contentment as possible in our own hands.

  But by the same token, I am congenitally unable to pass an absurd contention unremarked. And the claim that race plays no part in justice is precisely that.

  It's funny: White people often rightly complain that for too many blacks, everything is about race, always. But they fail to grasp the corollary truth that for too many whites, nothing is about race, ever.

  They are quick to condemn black folks' blind spot. Is it too much to ask that they display the same readiness toward their own?
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  LuckyLucy

  I think what you are talking about is genetic makeup.

  Here is an example of what i was talking about.

  Generalized Characteristics of Serial Murderers

  serial murderers kill three or more victims, each on separate occasions. Unlike mss and spree types, serial killers usually select a certain type of victim who fulfills a role in the killer's fantasies. There are cooling-off periods between serial murders, which are usually better planned than mass or spree killings. Some serial killers (e.g., Ted Bundy) travel continually and murder in several locations; others (e.g., Wayne Williams, the man convicted of killing children in Atlanta, FL) are geographically stable and kill within the same area. The "Unabomber&" (Theodore Kaczynski), who apparently remained in one place but chose victims from different parts of the country for his carefully constructed mail bombs, reflected an unusual combination of serial killer characteristics.
  Because they plan their murders, often travel long distances between their crimes, kill for idiosyncratic reasons, and frequently wait months between killings, serial murderers are difficult to apprehend. However, social scientists have gained some knowledge about these criminals, who may number as many as 100 in the United States alone. In general they are white males, aged 25 - 34, of at least average intelligence, and often with charming personalities. Many were illegitimate and experienced abuse as children. They tend to select vulneralbe victims of some specific type who gratify their need to control people. They prefer to kill with hands-on methods such as strangulation and stabbing. They are often preoccupied with sadistic fantasies involving domination and control of their victims; these
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  deddaisy

  I've never done any research on prison time served among the various races, but it appears that the poorer one is raised, the better the odds are of serving time. Of course there is white-collar crime, but it seems poverty and prison time are more closely linked....maybe the rich can just afford the good lawyers.....

  it's obviously better than it was as recently as the George Wallace days, but alas, there are just enough idiots in all of the races to keep racism alive.

  God, only three months ago, a white out-of-state-friend called me, concerned about her sixteen-year-old daughter's obsession with black guys. Her son's girlfriend is 1/2 black, very very pretty, and just as sweet. So she is ok with this but for some reason she is bothered by the idea of her daughter potentially dating a black guy. She even mentioned the idea of getting counseling for her daughter. I told her that a counselor would most likely tell her that she was the one with issues, not the daughter. LOL. She has never been a racist, in fact she has always been intolerant of racists. So what is up with this? Maybe sincerely concerned that her daughter is attracted to someone for the wrong reasons? Is there a difference between a white guy with a black woman and a black man with a white woman? Or is she just edgy because there is no person to place with the color?

  edited to add: sorry guys if this seems out of context or already mentioned, several people posted while this sat on my computer unsent. I got a phone call while posting.................

  Edited by - deddaisy on 30 November 2002 17:24:46
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  crownboy

  Funny opening post, Defender, I'm certain you didn't mean for it to take such a serious turn.

  I think I've seen those stats before bigboi, thanks for posting them here, they are truly telling.

  I figured LuckyLucky was trying so say that the different races had different physical characterics such as negroes having kinky hair, etc. Alot of the stuff you're talking about seems to depend on societal and social circumstances, IMO.
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  Bendrr

  Well Defender since you must know, I'm colored.....white.

  Learned that one from an elder. Nice guy, really funny. There was this black (by the way, don't say "colored" just say black) sister who was very race-conscious. She was standing behind him at one meeting eavesdropping listening to the conversation. I think it was a field service experience. Anyway he mentions "this colored man" and she steps up and says "what color was he brother?" and Brother W. smiles and says "white!".

  Mike.
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  Bendrr

  And another thing.

  Noticing how some are bringing up crime statistics I'd like to make a very good point. Watch the Fox TV show "Cops" sometime. The black suspects are not near as fun to watch as the white ones. The black guy robs a store and they chase him down and arrest him. The white guy robs a store, jumps in the car with his girlfriend, leads a 200 mph chase down the wrong side of the road, blows out his tires on the cops' stop-sticks, keeps on driving at maybe 80 as his bare rims melt down, leaves a trail of smoke from his overworked engine, and finally after crashing through a barricade of 8 cop cars gets out of the car with a beer in his hand while his fat girlfriend screams "don't arrest him! I love him!".

  Mike.