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How Real are UFO's?
by metatron 20 Replies latest jw friends
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aluminutty
What are you talking about? Didn't project blue book provide a final answer to the UFO problem? You nutty nutty nitwit, how dare you question an investigation comissioned by the U.S. military.
I'm sorry, I've declaired today sarcasm day, and I couldn't resist.
While weather baloons, and U.S. military black ops projects may account for a high percentage of total sitings, and deliberate hoaxes a much smaller number, you still have a huge quantity of creadible, unexplained fennomina to account for. You make a great point when you asert that sitings are becoming more numerous, and difficult to discount. those individuals brave enough to come forward and tell their stories and by doing so face criticism and irrational vitriolic contempt are helping to change public perception of the UFO finomina. Now, the vast majority of U.S. citizens side with the "wackos" and "crazies" who have long seen through the coverup.BTW, who ever heard of mass hallucination anyway. Um, I wonder what causes mass hallucination? Oh, I forgot, it must be that ergot fungus we all chomp on. Call me crazy, but its easier for me to believe in UFOs than it is for me to believe in mass hallucination.
Great post, even greater mystery.
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MegaDude
Investigation Casts Light on the Mysterious Flying Black Triangle
By Leonard David
posted: 07:00 am ET
05 August 2002
They are big, black, and triangular. In UFO folklore they are
proof-positive that planet Earth is a rest stop for joyriding,
but road-weary, extraterrestrials.
A just released study by the National Institute for Discovery
Science (NIDS), based in Las Vegas, Nevada, sheds new light on
the dark and mysterious craft. They offer a more down-to- earth
hypothesis.
NIDS researchers contend that these type vehicles are lighter-
than-air, blimp-style craft of the U.S. military's making.
Likely powered by "electrokinetic" drive, the lifting body-
shaped airships have been skirting the skies from perhaps the
early to mid 1980s.
NIDS has followed up on their study of last year that correlated
sightings of large triangular or delta-shaped objects with Air
Force Materiel Command and Air Mobility Command bases throughout
the United States. Matches were made suggesting flight paths in
and out of certain base locations.
The new assessment focuses on what four police officers, and
more than a dozen others observed on January 5, 2000: A large,
silent, low-flying black triangular shaped object. It flew on a
southwesterly direction between Highland, Illinois and Dupo,
located less than 30 miles (48 kilometers) from St. Louis,
Missouri.
Part of the flight path took the enormous object near the
perimeter of Scott Air Force Base.
NIDS does not come up with definite conclusion regarding the
origin of the object sighted in Illinois.
However, the reports jibe with over 150 separate reports of
sightings of large triangular or deltoid shaped objects. Those
eyewitness accounts, accumulated by NIDS, have mainly come from
the United States. A small number of the sightings they have on
file come from Canada and Europe.
Ballooning expectations
To bolster their case about military airships being taken for
UFOs, analysts at NIDS make a historical note.
Lighter-than-air vehicles held all records for payload,
distance, duration, and altitude within the first four decades
of the 20th century - even with the advent of the airplane. In
fact, save for rocket-powered research aircraft, like the X-15
and the space shuttle, all absolute altitude records are still
held by high-altitude scientific balloons.
NIDS makes the case that Big Black Deltas, or BBDs, are U.S.
Defense Department airships. They are so large they can carry
massive payloads at low altitudes, cruising at speeds three to
five times as fast as surface ships.
Among a range of NIDS observations, the group believes the BBDs
are powered by electrokinetic/field drives, or airborne nuclear
power units. These craft also fly at extreme altitudes, high
above conventional aircraft and the pulsing of ground- based
traffic control radar.
Elecrokinetic propulsion means that no propellers or jets are
used. A hybrid lighter-than-air craft would rely on aerostatic,
lift gas, like a balloon. No helicopter-like downwash would be
produced. Except for a slight humming from high-voltage control
equipment - and in older BBD versions an occasional coronal
discharge - a Big Black Delta makes no noise.
Given a slew of BBD capabilities - from silent running,
diminished drag, elimination of sonic shockwaves, to operation
from ground level to full vacuum - NIDS calls for pushing this
black world technology out into daylight for commercial benefit.
Wheat from the chaff
"What we're trying to do is transform unidentified flying
objects, UFOs, into IFOs, or identified flying objects," said
Colm Kelleher, deputy administrator for NIDS.
"We want to limit the number of cases that are unidentified in
our data base. The more that are identified, obviously the less
we have to work on. That's our prime motivation& to eliminate
the wheat from the chaff," Kelleher told SPACE.com.
NIDS has amassed some 1,000 cases that are under review. Of
those, about 200 are Big Black Delta sightings. In the last year
or two, BBD reports have been on the rise.
Kelleher said that military may well be ready to take the wraps
off the black triangle vehicles. The Illinois case, for
instance, has been built on hours of public views of the mystery
airship. "That's not exactly stealth mode. It's inevitable that
it will be declassified," he said.
Leaping across the sky
"There appears to be an increase in deployment of these
vehicles," Kelleher said. "The only time you see these things
are when they are leaving or coming in. A lot of these sightings
are at night. Our information is that they spend a long time
aloft, weeks at a time. They can be thought of as ocean-going
ships, rather than aircraft," he said.
Over the years, the BBDs appear to fall into different size
categories. "The ones that dominate our database are very, very
large. They are low-flying, silent, and are reported to be about
the size of a football field," Kelleher said.
The BBDs have been seen accelerating very rapidly from a
hovering position. "They can look as though they are leaping
across the sky. Being silent, it's almost spooky," Kelleher
said.
Heavy lifting
L. Scott Miller, professor of Aerospace Engineering at Wichita
State University in Wichita, Kansas, said the idea of a large,
still-classified airship floating about is on the mark.
"I do think that a large airship, with a heavy lift and other
mission objectives, has been built," Miller told SPACE.com.
Miller is also a distinguished lecturer of the American
Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA), and
specializes in black aircraft and the world of secret flight.
The NIDS research documentation parallels, about 50 percent of
the time, a theory that Miller has detailed in his AIAA talks
for some two years.
"Lockheed has shown a great deal of interest in airships for
many years. The real question is whether the Department of
Defense has committed to buy and use such machines," Miller
said.
Stealth blimp
Large airships are of benefit to the military.
They are capable of carrying extremely large and heavy payloads
at a reasonable speed, for which there is a real mission need,
Miller said.
The U.S. airlift fleet is getting old, taking a great beating in
the last 10 years in such locales as Iran, Bosnia, Kosovo, and
Afghanistan. Some new aircraft are making it into the inventory,
but they still have limits. For instance, to move loads of tanks
and other gear requires lots of flights and support.
"An airship that could carry a large number of tanks, troops,
and supplies into a region overnight would be fantastic," Miller
said.
Miller does take issue with the NIDS study's view of a black
triangle's propulsion. "Interesting, but I'm not sure it is
necessary," he said.
"I suspect that a neutrally buoyant aerodynamically lifting
airships using conventional prop-rotor systems would be useful
in implementing a practical airship design," Miller said. Such a
vehicle could be a cross between the V-22 Osprey - a craft
having short wings and thrust vectoring rotors - and a blended
wing aircraft, he said.
Miller said that by careful shaping, the systems used, and
carefully orchestrating operational procedures, the
vulnerability of an airship in a combat environment could be
reduced.
"Low altitude flights, at night, and an awareness of enemy
capabilities would be critical. Indeed, slow flight at the right
time can render enemy radar useless. A 'stealth blimp' would be
feasible in this respect," Miller said.
Black world wizardry
Still, the true nature and use of the black triangle craft
remains a head scratcher.
"I suspect that the people in Illinois saw an airship of some
type. Is it operational? I don't know. Would it be 'sexy enough'
for the Defense Department inventory, compared to other high-
tech aircraft like the B-2? I don't know," Miller said.
"Each sighting requires a great deal of analysis. A witness's
perceptions of speed, acceleration, and size are likely of very
little value," Miller said. "I have taken an approach of first
identifying needs - or mission requirements - and technology
availability. Then I compare those with the cold raw, simple
facts of a sighting, not the conjecture or guess work of a
witness," he said.
"I suspect that, as a result, perhaps up to 30 percent of the
recent 'Triangle UFO' sightings are of black world aircraft,
jets or airships," Miller concluded.
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rem
There will always be unexplained occurances - whether they be UFO's or bigfoot sightings. This is because we will never have all of the information to state conclusively what the cause is in all cases. The key is to not jump to irrational, unlikely conclusions. Why posit intelligent space aliens when there is no hard evidence of their existance - especially when there are other, more prosaic possibilities? (e.g. there does happen to be somewhat intelligent life on earth and interesting terrestrial phenomena)
Whenever any UFO claims are carefully investigated, the wow-factor drops completely. I've read a lot about many UFO sightings and I still haven't found any that have impressed me after looking into it further.
rem
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Yizuman
Personally I don't believe in UFOs.
Scripture never has supported life outside planet earth. There's too much focus and centralization here on earth as far as the creation of God in concerned.
But I do however believe that these unexplained UFOs may have alot to do with Air Force projects. In Nevada there is a base there that the US Air Force owns and operates. Alot of test pilots are there. So I am very sure that alot of experiemental flying crafts are being conducted there. So seeing any weird looking fly objects is obviously ours and a design by Air Force engineers.
Bigfoot? That's a joke. Someone created a very crafty and elaberated costume to fool people into thinking there's something out there in the woods that isn't part of nature as what we know. That video is so badly blurred and the camera seemed to be purposely being shaken around so it's hard to focus on the image to see if what we see is really real.
Just as much as the Alien Autopsy we saw a few years ago is as fake as the bigfoot footage.
There is no life outside planet earth except for the spiritual realm of God.
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metatron
The Black triangle blimp story is not credible as an explanation. They talk about a
craft that they can't produce and can't do the things described by trained, competent
observers.The CIA already tried this with sightings of the SR-71 Blackbird - they're grasping
at straws - rather like the AirForce claiming dummy/manikins made people think alien
bodies were seen at Roswell ( used long after the sightings took place)This whole thing is starting to sound like a poorly written Scooby-Doo plot where
some fantastic hologram is created by a flashlight and a hand puppet.Opposition to full disclosure will continue - in part because ETs mean the end
of revealed religion as we know it. Heck, the Hindus and Buddhists won't get upset
at all.metatron
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Crazy151drinker
Well, Ive been sitting here all day and I still havnt seen an Alien.
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MegaDude
Metatron,
do you believe aliens in flying vehicles is *the credible explanation*?
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Big Tex
metatron
I'm open minded on this subject. But I am curious, if indeed aliens have landed on the earth what is their mission? Or do you feel there are more than one alien race involved? Personally I cannot imagine that the hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe are devoid of life. But having said that, I also cannot imagine why an intelligent group of people would want to visit this mud hole.
Thanks,
Chris
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metatron
Many folks have it backwards - the thought that WE ARE alone is ridiculous.
Even Thomas Paine knew this when he wrote "The Rights of Man" two hundred years
ago ('the multiplicity of worlds')
I believe the reality of these encounters will be forced upon us, like it or not.
We can't remain 'cosmic children' forever. We're all still 'pre-Copernicus', thinking
that earth is the center of everything.I'm not sure that 'they' are truly ETs
- they may be time travellers or from another dimension. In any case, they ain't
from around here.metatron