Reverse Thinking

by Yizuman 16 Replies latest jw friends

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  teenyuck

  Since I know you won't answer, I feel liberated to post my thoughts. Below is your quote from your "Financial Help" thread.

  Teenyuck, from this day forth, I'm ignoring all of your posts and will not reply to your trolling.

  So you don't care about me at all as a person regardless whether or not I am deaf. Fine. This is who I am as presented and if you have a problem with that, that's your attitude, not mine.

  It's up to you if you want us to be friends or not.

  I must point out to the above thread that your being deaf should have no bearing on your being poor. You have played the handicapped card as far as it will go. Guess what? I am handicapped. Do I use it for sympathy? No. One of my best friends in grade school and HS was deaf. She was very smart and successful.

  Now your latest quote:

  My main concern is that once the former jdubs are out, they start to reverse their thinking from everything the jdubs had learned that is considered a "no no", ranging from sex, satanism, getting into pornagraphy, drugs, alcohol, rock music, smoking, reading ouji boards and anything else they can get their hands into that was considered forbidden by the WT. Even some decided to reverse their thinking from believing "there is a God" to "there is no God".

  I am not an advocate of porn, drugs, smoking or ouija boards. However, ROCK MUSIC and beer!!!

  Pahleeze!!! You sound like Jerry Falwell.

  "Even when some aren't aware they are engaging into destructive behavior and think whatever it is they are doing is ok..."

  I guess I will have to put on my Kingdum Melodies when I clean the house. I mean, I am sure that listening to Fleetwood Mac, The Eagles, AC/DC, Van Halen, the Rolling Stones, The Who etc., is driving me to the devil!!! And I don't mean Dirt Devil!

  Too bad I don't believe in him either. Donkey said it best.
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  Yizuman

  This stemmed from my abuse------you name it, I have been through it. I have been out of the JW religion for 12yrs. I didn't do all these things in a short amount of time. I do think however, that being told "you can't" for so long makes you say "YES I CAN."

  Yes, these things aren't the best things in the world to do, but neither is being a JW.

  That's the common theme I see from alot of ex-jubs when I attended the ex-jw support group. I've seen the pain in their faces when they give their testimony about their life as a jw. I have also observed thier new adopted lifestyle that has showed what you said above. They have spoken about getting into drugs, alcohol and other things to "get away" from it all.

  I often wonder who I could have been if I hadn't been raised this way. Would I still believe in God??? I don't know, but I do know that I don't and I have no reason to. Do I regret things I have done??? WHO doesn't regret something they have done. I don't regret the lessons I have learned in the process, and those are priceless. These things I have gone through allow me to relate to almost anyone I come in contact with. So, I feel I have gone through this for a reason, if nothing else to make my son aware and to answer almost any ? he has.

  I have wondered that too.

  Can I ask you this question Jesika, even if you may not feel this way at this very moment. But do you think it's possible God allowed all this happen to you for a reason? Maybe even using you to reach out to other people who have went through the exact same thing as you have and to help them heal? Is it also possible that through the reaching of other people to help them could bring you healing as well?

  Edited by - Yizuman on 11 December 2002 11:54:13
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  Yizuman

  I am not an advocate of porn, drugs, smoking or ouija boards. However, ROCK MUSIC and beer!!!

  Pahleeze!!! You sound like Jerry Falwell.

  I'm not here to preach about what's right and what's wrong. That's not my goal.

  However I do respect the opinions of everyone. Each and every individual has a right to believe whatever they want to believe.

  If I can respect each individual's opinion w/o being preachy, I hope others can respect me as well.

  However, I do care about people. Is it wrong for me to care?

  Edited by - Yizuman on 11 December 2002 10:2:43
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  CoonDawg

  Well, as far as I'm concerned, I have done certain things that are prohibited by JW doctrine, but not to excess. I am still the same family man. Did I have pre-marital sex? yes. Am I a male slut that cheats on his wife? nope. Have I been drunk? Yes. Did I irresponsibly drive and put others at risk? nope. Just because you do things that are taboo does not make you a bad person. As for my belief in god, or rather my lack thereof...that's something that I feel was coming on long before I ever left. It was a slow process of research and hoping to prove what I was finding as false. Sorry, but all this belief on a god requires the leap of faith that the bible is the inspired record, and thus far, I haven't found justification to hold this great book of jewish legends in any higher esteem than that....a book of legends with some good moral storys. Nothing more, nothing less.

  CoonDawg
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  jgnat

  Yizuman, I think only a portion of xJW's go the extreme route. And, yes, it can be a reaction to years of suppression. My guess would the that the most likely ones to do this are those raised in the "truth", and were never given the choice to come or go, and never underwent normal teenage self-determination and independence. (There is no independence allowed in the WTS).

  Consider what happened in Russia when the totalitarian regime was lifted. Some people went wild in the freedom. Those of us raised in freedom have learned to control ourselves through little lessons throughout our life. Jesika's spring illustration is perfect.

  Some, like Amazing and Ozziepost, leave the organization with faith intact. Within the framework of their own independently acquired faith, they are moral and balanced. I believe most xJW's eventually build their own belief system and live consistently within it. Even athiests believe strongly in their framework of reality.
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  Jesika

  Yiz,

  In answer to your ?, I used to believe in god when I was very young. Around the age of 12 I started to ? if there really was a god. Why I never felt that my prayers were listened to. I am not saying that I prayed and they were unanswered, I never felt anyone was LISTENING. I was just doing was I was always taught to do. When I would ask why I didn't feel anyone was listening, my "faith" was in ?

  So, do I believe that god allowed this to happen to me, well that I can't answer. Since I haven't ruled out that possibity of there being a god. On the other hand, why not just let me go to school and learn how to help instead of putting me through abuse for my whole life. I think if god is a loving god, this wouldn't be the route he would take. IMHO

  So, I believe in my conscience, no I don't always listen to it, but I am the one to blame if I don't-- Not satan, and if I do something good, I don't blame god either, I take the credit for my own mistakes, or good decisions.

  Jesika

  Edited by - Jesika on 11 December 2002 17:51:26
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  RandomTask

  Yiz, you have to have more faith in people than that. Sure, some do things that are probably harmful to them, but usually they may face concequences for their behavior and they know that.

  You are talking about a group of people who have been told what to do their whole life and who have been told to not think just do. This is an unhealthy way to live and by living this way people do not learn their natural limits. Often people have to learn all of the normal things about life like a child does because they were deprived of this process when they were younger.

  Basically you have to let people define their own boundaries and their own path. Its the only way we learn how to really live our life.