moral dilemna

by zanex 27 Replies latest jw experiences

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    A word to the wise from my own experience, zanex.

    I am not a JW, but I have been treated badly before. For several years I had peers that caused me no small amount of grief at work. They made my life misery. I took some comfort in planning appropriate revenge (never acted upon).

    I am very sorry I even had those thoughts now. You see, I possess so much more than they ever did. I have my integrity, intelligence, and good sense. I learn from my mistakes and become ever more valuable to my employer. In have weathered storms in my personal life, and they have made me stronger. My former peers are stuck in their limited world of pettiness. The smallest crisis in their life, and they fall apart. They don't even understand why these great opportunities just seem to drop in my lap. I now feel very sorry for them. They have nothing. What I have can't be taken from me. And looking back, I am ashamed of my pettiness.

    The elder who represents everything you hate about the WTS is walking through life truly unaware. One day he will bump in to old age, and realize he has nothing. Shoot. Armageddon is not here yet. Feel sorry for the man. Direct your rage at the organization that would create such men. Bring down the organization.

  • Dia
    Dia

    Wow, jgnat, good words and good ideas.

    Okay, here's mine (for whatever they're worth):

    I was thinking that you might just chuckle a little one day and let him know that you're pretty grateful for the day when you finally realized that the WTS was definitely NOT for you.

    'But', you might say, 'some people apparently like that sort of thing.'

    THEN, depending on how that goes, you might let him know that you're available if he ever wants to talk to somebody. OR you might just tell him that you'll be praying for him.

    Or both.

    (Warning: Tact has never been my forte.)

  • Scully
    Scully

    zanex writes:

    ...I have some type of professional courtesy that I picked up somewhere...

    Listen, if it were the other way around, a JW wouldn't think twice about taking his business elsewhere. They have no sense of professional ethics or professional courtesy when it comes to DFd or DAd people. They'd rather see you starving than give you their business. It's all part of the shunning package. It makes them feel good when they can snub you and cause your business some hardship.

    So, is there any way you can fart around with his translation so that it says what he wants it to say, but in an insulting derisive way?? LOL I'm kidding, don't do that. Be better than them. Tell them you don't need business from anyone associated with an organization that harbours pedophiles, and BE GONE. Or just treat them like you would anyone else, and show them what it means to be a mensch.

    Love, Scully

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    Zanex,

    There is one thing I've always liked about you. It's how very real and honest you get about yourself and your emotions. That takes a level of humility that is rare. I think it's great that you do things like talk to us, rather than just giving in to your temptations and letting your frustrations hurt others. I feel for you and the frustrating aspects of your situation. I know that your rage and anger comes from deep pain. The fact that you talk to us about it, suggests to me that you don't reeeally want to go off and hurt someone else, as tempting as the thought can be.

    Here are some suggestions:

    Try and see him as a human being, rather than as an "elder" who represents everything vile ever done to you.
    Elder really is just a title. He really is just a man. He shits, showers, 'n shaves, just like the rest.
    I've always found earlobes kind of amusing. If somebody is gettin' to me, it helps me to remember that they have earlobes, just like me. lol.

    All seriousness aside though, What would you tell someone else to do, if they were in a similar position?
    Is this man your client? Is there someone else in your company that can take this client on?
    Why put yourself through dealing with him if you aren't in an emotionally healthy position to handle it?
    Something tells me that you are able to get honest with yourself and humble about your capabilities in dealing with this man.

    Find other ways to take out your frustration and rage and deal with your pain. Seriously, go for a run or pump some iron.
    Seek counselling for further effective ways to manage your anger. Have u been prescribed medication? Take it!
    Talking to us is a good start, but if it's eatin' u up and gaining control over you, please go get some help for yourself.
    Especially if you are becoming attached to your anger.

    You said you have come a long way through various healing stages (or something like that)....
    You've got some good things happenin' in your life now. Hang on to that. Be proud of that.
    Don't give up on yourself by retaliating to their level.

    Retaliation usually only serves to escalate the problem. Not resolve it.
    Read "Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker.
    Watch "Bowling for Columbine" a documentary by Michael Moore.

    Remember your little girl. You have the chance to be the world to her. Nobody else can replace you for her. Nobody else can send the same kind of messages to her that you can. What you do, will without a doubt impact her life.

    Zanex, you've been through plenty already. You deserve, just as much as anyone else does, to live a quality of life free from the anger and pain you carry around. I look forward to hearing more about how you have succeeded in your battle.

    Someone once said to me, "you are at the end of your rope aren't you? well, tie a knot and HANG ON!" ;)

    (((((((((hugs for u and yours)))))))))

    SPAZ

    editted for typos

    Edited by - SPAZnik on 11 December 2002 20:24:1

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik
    tell him that you'll be praying for him.

    lol Dia.

  • Kingpawn
    Kingpawn

    Zanex,

    I think I need to second what SPAZ said about possibly having someone else at your firm take this guy on as a client.

    You might even tell your superiors why. If you really think you might give in to this temptation, and maybe cost them a client and/or you a job, foist him off on someone else. If I were a business owner and an employee came to me and said even "For reasons I don't want to go in to, I can't work with this guy," I'd appreciate his honesty and honor his wishes.

    Then there's your daughter. How will she feel if Daddy gets fired? How easy would it be for you to get another job--even if in that line of work? What hardships would this place on you and your family?

    Are all those bad aftereffects worth it? Even worth taking the risk?

  • zanex
    zanex

    jg: yah I suppose that it is more the organization as opposed to the individuals that deserve the anger that I feel. It is just frustrating sometimes...

    dia: tact has never been MY thing either but your idea sounds pretty amusing. I think I like it. Definitely worth a try...

    scully: yah thats right..he wouldnt think twice about going somewhere else if he knew I was df'd..I do wish Icould screw around with the interpreting but grrr damnnit professional ethics are stupidly restraining sometimes...thanx...that last word..mensch...I know that word...is the word patryn familiar to you? I may be wrong but hey its worth a try..

    spaz: spaz, spaz , spaz,....ya always got somethin good to say...yah it is that thought of what my daughter would do without me sane enough to take care of her that makes me stop and go WAIT. I dunno..it just sometimes seems like it would be so easy to just crush this one insignificant little bug of a elder and let go of that anger..but I wonder if that would be successful...it might just make it worse...at any rate...trying to think of him as just a man is a suggestion worthy of an attempt..I'll give it a hack...

    kingpawn: ya know somethin..? the possible consequences for messin with this guy are NOT worth it....but damnned if I stop thinkin bout it...(sinister chuckle)

  • MsJam
    MsJam

    I know where you are at...I have been there ...I'm sure we all have been there.

    Let me tell you about anger...as if you didn't know. When I was finally able to let things go I was so much happier in my life. Holding all that anger only hurts you..not them. The post that said move on and be happy is the best revenge. That is the best advice. Anger only makes you a bitter person...and a bitter person can't be happy. Besides the fact that it will grow and effect other areas of your life.

    I'm not saying that I never have thoughts of wanting to do something really mean and nasty to my ex-husband. But then I stop and think...Is he really worth all the time and energy? I would rather channel that to my children who deserve it so much more.

    The only thing that I can say to you ...Is LET IT GO! I'll say what my mother used to say...Bless them and move on. It's not worth your health or your happiness.

    JAM

  • zanex
    zanex

    well...as is my habit i seem to be a glutton for punishment...I am going back to translate for this jw elder..erp no wait..this MAN..Im gonna try and do somethin that spaz suggested...I dont know if itwill work but hell its worth a shot..I have to go and translate at 4 pm today..sigh...here goes nothin...wish me luck..I have a feelin im gonna need it...

  • SPAZnik
    SPAZnik

    whu happen whu happen whu haaaaaappennnnnn?

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