I will be watching it when available in this country.
Star Trek Nemesis
by Robdar 29 Replies latest social entertainment
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johnny_was_good
Unfortunately I have to wait until mid February for it
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Spartacus
I will go see it but I'm no fan of Star Trek New Generation, I thought that whole series stunk except the episodes involving Borgs and Clingons. All episodes and too many of them that centered around the Holadeck and that IDIOT Q SUCKED! Picard was so stuffy and prissy, constantly pulling down on his shirt, straight laced goody goody that he sucked, sucked, sucked. JMHO :)
Voyager was way superior series better story telling, Janeway would run rings around Picard and she could be a biytch sometimes too.
But I am a Star Trek fan. :)
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Xander
Hmmmmm....well, I dunno....
Voyager was, by far, the worst of the series. A few of the episodes, MAYBE, had tolerable plots, but most sucked. Kate Mulgrew does have a cameo in the new movie, but her acting (if you can call it that), has NOT improved.
(It's not just Voyager she can't act in - have you seen her in ANYTHING? OMG - who gave that woman a job!!)
Uh, I don't know, the TNG-Borg and TNG-Klingons I've always disliked. They are too transparent villians.
What was best about TOS Trek was that there weren't any 'good guys' and 'bad guys'. It was just different empires in space, each with their own, sometimes conflicting, agendas. There weren't barbaric, warrior races (Klingons) that logic would tell us were quite incapable of stopping fighting and studying science enough to become spacefaring.
There also weren't transparent 'super-villians' like the Borg Queen (to be fair, the Borg, as originally conceived and executed up to about Season 3 TNG WERE pretty decent villians, but it was downhill from there...completely bottoming out as bad guys in Voyager).
So, in short, I liked this movie, but I appear to disagree with you on every point in your post. So you'll probably hate it.
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BadJerry
Saw it last weekend with the three sons. Everyone had a good time and yes, we did pick it apart for things already sited, but it has set the stage for The Two Towers this weekend...
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Robdar
Does anybody else think that "Enterprise", the new series suck?
I have but one question: Who blew who to get this lame series on the air?
I can't even bring myself to watch it anymore.
Robyn
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Xander
Well, I can kinda bring myself to watch it off and on, only because it's the only decent SciFi on right now (Stargate is awesome, but we've missed too much for most of what happens these days to make sense).
That's not saying it doesn't suck - it does, and we miss most episodes without losing too much sleep over it.
Of course, I DO like the cameos from the known races in Enterprise. That's about the only thing that saves it - seeing how the races evolve (those that they don't COMPLETELY bugger up - but, even then, it's interesting to see).
The Romulan episode wasn't bad overall (aside from the stupid - STUPID writers getting their name wrong). The Tholians are scheduled to appear in February, which should be neat.
Incidently, the idiots Rodbar is looking for are: Rick Berman & Brannon Braga, who are generally reputed to be the ones single handedly responsible for 'destroying' Star Trek. They took over near the end of DS9, IIRC, and were responsibly for Voyager and Enterprise.
To be fair, their concepts aren't bad. A starship stuck on the other end of the galaxy trying to get home? A look back at the founding of the Federation?
SOUNDS good.
It's just....well....they can't write for sh!t. And their casting choices suck. And they cannot take a risk. And they have a complete and total disregard for not only real science, real military procedures, but also continuity ALREADY ESTABLISHED in the Trek universe. I mean, it's one thing to throw some amount of physics or real procedures/rank/etc overboard in a fiction universe. But to then include substitutes that you later ignore and then, even later ignore THOSE substitutions for something ELSE entirely....*shakes head*
They are TRYING to make Trek the SciFi equivelant of N'Sync or what-have-you. Don't take any risks, just do what the masses seem to want. Which means, not really GOOD, but 'commercially safe'.
Edited by - Xander on 20 December 2002 16:30:10
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Robdar
They are TRYING to make Trek the SciFi equivelant of N'Sync or what-have-you. Don't take any risks, just do what the masses seem to want. Which means, not really GOOD, but 'commercially safe'
Xander, that is a good analogy. I like it. I wish that they would remember that sci-fi fans are a different breed from horny teenage girls. Not to say that we ain't horny....
I finally gave up on the series 2 weeks ago. It seemed like a recycled "Love Boat" story line.
Robyn
Edited by - robdar on 20 December 2002 19:58:11
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Xander
Yeah, anymore I just keep an eye on startrek.com for plot summaries of upcoming episodes, and only watch what sounds interesting (keeps the average quality of shows I see high enough for me to think - falsely - there may be some hope).
That's how I caught the tidbit about the Tholians - scheduled for Feb 19 - should be interesting, at least! (I mean, to see how THEIR continuity is butchered, which will be truly awe-inspiring, since there is only the 1 episode to work from!)
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Big Tex
I unfortunately still watch Enterprise. It's not as bad as Voyager but then that's sort of damning it by faint praise. Actually I watch mainly just to keep in touch with the franchise. They really hit their stride in season 4 of TNG (only greed killed that show) and DS9 was pretty good. It wasn't my favorite but it had some really good moments. But Voyager was embarrassing. Gilligan's Island meets Lost in Space. (They're on the other side of the galaxy, get in fights each week and yet the ship looks as pristine as it did the day it was launched.) Actually Enterprise would be considered a good show, thirty years ago. I think it's trying hard to be retro and that's fine but the plots and writing need a lot of work. I read once that Berman and Bragga instruct all the characters to "play down" as much as possible so that the alien guest stars (and regulars) can stand out. I think that's one reason their shows are so amazingly boring. But my biggest complaint is how they resolve each situation with technobabble ("How about a burst of tachyon beams to disperse nanoprobes so that they're phase discriminator will overload." What the ....?). One thing I really love about The Original Series is they didn't do that. The show's resolution, especially on the good episodes, came from the characters themselves. I don't know if it will ever turn around, quite frankly. Sooner or later my interest will wane permanently and I'll give it up.