Filing a Lawsuit to see my granddaughter

by Nancy K 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • JT
    JT

    freedom96 and expatbrit

    thanks for the kind words, the mere fact that she goes to court, WE DONT' TAKE OUR BRO TOCOURT LET ALONE OUR KIDS - dogma will ring loud in jw minds

    so that leaves the court of public opinions, folks have always viewed jw as weird and this is an opportunity to literally show it

    if grandma was a crackhead, dope dealer, drunk, etc then the kids would look and smell like red roses- but that is not the case at all grandma has baked some sugar cookies and the little sugar plum is forbidden to go to grandma house, this type of stuff is better than fiction

    for me it is so important that NONJW see the MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN

    you all know that the avg person knows NOTHING ABOUT JW beyond the neat clean cut folks waking them up on Sat morning, this shows the under belly of this religion UP AND PERSONAL

  • JT
    JT

    jESUS cHRIST

    your point is well taken and that is why in some areas grand parents don't have rights-

    but rarely in my veiw would a JW grandparent fight to see some little worldly bastard grandkid-

    instead the jw grandparent due to indoctrination will veiw the grandkid worthy of death due their parents

    and that is the mindset of many jw grandparents- i don't believe that jw grandparents have love that strong or deep to go to court to see their grandchild so they can take them to the hall-

    while on the other hand fighting to see her grandchild could have some adverse effect,

    while many here have stated DON'T SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THE PARENTS OR THE ORG, sad to say that is not what is taking place on the other side

    the parents are telling the child GRANDMA WILL BE DESTROYED BY JEHOVAH- THEY ARE DOGGING HERE BEYOND BELIEF-

    GRANDMA is being demonized like you and i can never imagine- any jw parent will tell thier kids grandma wants to take you away from jw , grandma left jah and is now with satan

    her kids are dogging her in front of the child, the meetings are dogging grandma, the publications are dogging grandma, so the little child is getting a bitter taste in in mouth

    it is as if she may have to wait till the child is older- hopefully with the net in school this child will not forget grandma- she can try to court, and it could generate alot of attention, but inside the walls of her son and daughers home they will be beating the child over the head about how bad grandma is and that is sad\

    james

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    ((((((((Nancy)))))))),

    It's good to hear that you have decided to persue legal avenues to get visitation rights with your granddaughter. You are doing the right thing and I wish you all the best.

    I was thinking about you a couple of days ago, wondering how you are doing and if you had reached any decisions. I hope that your health is getting better. Please let us know what happens with your case.

    Love,

    Robyn

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    I agree with Jesus. As bad as this may sound I don't believe grandparents have a right to see their grandchildren. There is a big differance between rights and privileges. Parents have a right to say who their children can and can't see. If someone who was a JW grandparent decided they want to sue to have visitation alot of people would suddenly be up in arms! Well, that is my situation. My JW parents would love to be able to take my 6 year old son and indoctrinate the hell out of him like they did me and my siblings. They have taken him to meetings and filled his head with garbage when I have allowed him to visit. All this accomplished was confusing him. It is irritating to tell your son repeatedly that no, his mother is not going to die at armageddon. For his own mental health I had to cut back on their time spent together. I have not cut them completely out of his life, just cut back on it. Grandparents are wonderful and I would hate to see anyone cut them completely out of their childs life but it is a parents decision to make. Sorry. I think it may be in the best interest of the child if you wait until she is older and able to make her own decisions. I feel for you immensly. It's a lose-lose situation for both of you.

    ~Aztec

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    I suppose that I was one of the fortunate few who had their parents respect my wishes regarding my son. That included them not filling my son's head full of JW doctrine. We did have a problem with Smurfs when he was little. But, in order to not upset my mother and to continue to show her respect, she and I agreed that he would leave his Smurfs at home when he went to visit. And in return, she respected me by promising that she wouldn't tell him that they were little blue demonz. My mother, bless her heart, spent a lot of money on other toys for him to play with so that he wouldn't miss playing with the Smurfs while he was visiting.

    When mutual respect is missing and no agreement can be reached, I still do not think that a grandparent should be denied the right to visit with their grandchildren. If an agreement can't be reached, then visitation should be supervised by the parent of the child. Surely, all the adults can agree to disagree for an hour or two and allow the visitation to be a happy, productive time.

    I am glad that my son has such a warm connection with my parents. I would never have let religion come between them and I am happy that my parents wouldn't either.

    Robyn

    Edited by - robdar on 16 December 2002 21:45:0

  • avishai
    avishai

    I know of several JW grandparents who have successfully sued for visitation rights & are filling their grandchildrens heads w/ jw crap. So, I suggest you get the book on jw's & custody battles & sue using their own tactics against the ba$tards

  • Jesus Christ
    Jesus Christ

    JT,

    I agree with everything you said about what the JW's teach children about their non-JW relatives and many people here saw that first hand and are way too familiar with it but I still don't think grandparents' wishes to see their grandchildren should outweigh the wishes of the child's parents to keep them away.

    Many people here would be ready to tar and feather a person if they were a JW and were trying to sue their children so that they could take the grandkids to the meetings. Like it or not (or even hate as I do) but JW's have made their choice to be a JW and live that life and it should be respected. Let the JW's tell the children how their families who aren't JW's are going to be destroyed. All it will do is let the children see how horrible the JW's are when they grow up.

    As far as the arguemnet goes that just because JW grandparents try to sue so that they may take the grandkids to the meetings so you should too is a bad arguement. The JW's try to tell children that their non-JW family is horrible and god will destroy them. Would you go tell children that god hates their JW family and will destroy them for believing as they do?

  • Nancy K
    Nancy K

    Hi Aztec! Thanks for your feedback..and everyone's! This is precisely what I was hoping for! I need to look at and approach this from all angles..I hear what you are saying, however I am not suing for visitation to take my grandaughter to MY church or ? I don't believe any court should grant that right to a grandparent, when the child's parent or parents are living. I honestly just want to carry on the wonderful relationship I was enjoying with "Chloe"...You see, my daughter's very first boyfriend came along when she was a senior in High School, I noticed how quickly they became attached and it was intense, so I had a talk with her and brought up the subject of birth control, etc. Well, from her upbringing, she looked at me as if I had suddenly grown another head, was totally 'insulted' that I would even bring up the subject and that was that, well, not really, because a few weeks later, she came home and told me she was pregnant. I put my arms around her, told her I loved her and that WE would get through this, that everything would turn out fine...Later, I was bawling into my pillow! My daughter had a tough pregnancy and delivery, ended up having a C-section, but then both mother and baby were fine..Meanwhile Chloe's Dad, was working 3 jobs, I would let him use my car for his 3rd shift job, and all were living with me and my other 2 kids(teenagers at the time). I threw a nice shower for them, we fixed up a nice room in my home, I would baby-sit when I got home from work, this way my daughter could study and do homework. I worked hard and shared all that I had with everyone in my home. Then I went to California for 4 days, and while I was out there I called to check on things at the house and found out that "Brian", Chloe's biological father was caught by my youngest daughter and my ex-husband in a store with another girl. Well, that was horrible! If he had ended things and walked away it would've been better, but for us to find THAT out? Statistically, they didn't have a prayer, they were so young, but I hoped for Chloe's sake they might beat the odds? But it didn't happen..Anyway, my daughter and Chloe lived with us until Chloe was about 1 1/2 at which time they moved into an apt. in a house owned by a JW couple. My daughter did graduate High School and started college, she is almost an R.N., as she did meet someone, (also a JW), they married and had a baby last February, a boy(whom I've never 'met')...Her husband is very, very nice..From Mississippi, he speaks to me with respect..When he came up north to attend a wedding he met my daughter, Vanessa..They corresponded for a year and then he decided to move from where he was currently living, in Florida(he had a very good job), to New England. I was able to get him into a Union job that paid well, good benefits, etc., thru a close friend, which made me very happy AND them. Plus he's wonderful with Chloe. This situation is difficult, Vanessa hadn't gotten her degree yet as she was going part time, then she took time off with her marriage and new baby, but I heard she had gone back to finish. I totally agree that the parents should have the last say, under MOST circumstances..I don't believe that 'visitation' means time together to undermine each other or to indoctrinate one's own religious beliefs..I simply want to spend some TIME with Chloe doing Mimi(that's what she called me) and Chloe stuff..We used to talk about nature and we'd play music and dance..In the summer I would have 2 to 3 gardens and she would pick the vegetables 'by the fence' that I couldn't reach..She loves my dog "Benson" and he loved her too..At one point I was on an experimental treatment for my illness, out of Boston and at home had visiting nurses, at which point they weren't sure if I was going to make it, but she would come bounding into my room and her and I and Benson would have the VCR going, and we'd watch the Wizard of Oz! She loved that..She wouldn't act scared or anything, then at the end of the movie, she would burst into tears and sob for a minute, and I'd say "Chloe? Why are you crying now? Everything is OK, now! Then she would pull herself together and blow her nose and say, "Mimi, I save up all my crying for the end!" And I would laugh and give her a big hug! That little girl kept me going and at one point in my life when I was almost 'out of gas'..Then for Vanessa, to shun me? Why for quite a few years I was out of the truth, but I showed more spirituality than some people who went to every meeting, etc. This is why I have to try and see Chloe...I know I'm not going to live to be a ripe old age, and Chloe will not be the little girl I know and loved either..If I lose, at least I tried..The last time I spoke to her 2 years ago, I told her, please don't forget me...She told me she'd never forget me and that she thinks about me every night before she goes to bed...Even on nights when there's a finger-nail moon! (I told her when the moon is in the beginning of it's cycle, it looks like a finger-nail)..Well, thanks for your feedback...I sincerely appreciate your ideas. Take good care! NK

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    Nancy,

    I really do feel badly for you. I hate situations like this. Chloe seems like such a little sweetie. I hope your daughter changes her mind. Starting a lawsuit may only make the situation worse though. Best of luck to you!

    ~Aztec

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    nancy,

    Good luck, but I think the law suit itself will prove fruitless, more and more states are moving away from the idea that grandparents have any type of visitation rights. however, the public pressure that can be generated by appealing to press and local churches, etc, might be. God Bless.

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