by wednesday 40 Replies latest jw friends
My understanding is that the site was pulled from the old one to the new, rather than being pushed from the old to the new.
Things I would do:
First I would like to say how sorry I am that the site is down. I'm a bit worried. If a person NEEDS to get information from that site right this minute, this could be catastrophic for them. For instance, suppose someone needs immediate assistance, and only has a few minutes on the web for their cry for help? For what it's worth, and putting everything aside, I am offering my assistance to Bill, and silentlambs. I find it odd that the site is still down. I've made a search on google for the site, and when I click any other page except the index page (www.silentlambs.org), it works, which tells me that the site is NOT down, that it is intact, and taking 15 seconds to upload a copy of the index page would solve the whole problem. Anyone can check for themselves for pages to view, but here's one I found, and all the others I'm finding are fine as well:
www.silentlambs.org/silentlambs.htm
Hmmm...so after all of the previous uproar about passwords and FTP access and uploading the SL site now its being purported that someone sabotaged the whole thing? The "webmaster" fior SL didn't bother changing passwords when he/she took over administration?
It's on a different server, so this doesn't even apply. Totally different hosting account
I mean just for security's sake that would have been the first thing I did, if just to keep the former "webmaster" out of the domain's space.Personaly I find that a bit hard to believe. Unless there was a serious hack of the web server one can assume that a potential sabotuer had the username and psw. Seems like an awful lot of trouble over one website. Yeah sure, lets play the conspiracy game and assume someone is trying to undermine the work of SL. Not only would it have to be organized, but also be people who knew how to hack a web server and people who knew they could face jail time and civil penalties for said action. Do you really think serious hackers would involve themselves w/pro WTBTS people involved in some petty game of revenge? I doubt it...So which version of who's truth is it? I ask myself why I should even care and yes wednesday it does come back around to the abused...I just wish it were easier to be on the cheering squad..you know what I mean?
Believe me, silentlambs has hack attempts daily! When I was in there I fought them off all damn day long, and all night long too. There's alot of people out there that are against bill, AND the cause.
Site seems to be back now ...
... oops, the shell is back but the sub-pages don't appear to be there yet.
Edited by - Simon on 21 December 2002 12:39:13
Great!
I have to say. I think the way the passwords are handed out, they're lucky they haven't had more problems. I said it before, I told him to be more careful, everyone and their uncle had access to it when it was on my server.
OOPS! Well that's because those are directed to MY server, which they're not suppose to be. I was told to dump the files, so I did. So the question is, have they been pointing at my server these past few days? I can't tell with webstats because there's no longer a domain name attached to it, so they won't be able to resolve that. So, if Bill needs me to put them BACK up on my server, he needs to let me know ASAP, because I'm on my way out here in a little bit.
with the usual link i used ot get to SL i get a "forbidden access" and a 404 error. as or now.
Edited by - wednesday on 21 December 2002 12:53:33
The observations of "onthego" make the most sense to me. Here's what I posted via the SL_March group and LRD where Wednesday was nice enough to put up the latest email from silentlambs, but she didn't have the original email due to copy/paste problems...
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Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:52 am Post subject:
From: "oldsilentlambs" [email protected]
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:15:49 -0600
To: [email protected]
Subject: website status
Our worst fears has happened the website has been sabotaged. We are working to restore a back up copy and will try to get up running soon. I have asked the new webmaster to provide an explanation when he can.
silentlambs
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HEAR YE! HEAR YE! It is my humble opinion, not being a webby/techie kind of person, that some VERY SMART HACKER is playing HAVOC with silentlambs. I DO NOT think it is REV AT ALL!!!
THIS IS TERRIBLE! I visited the SL home page VERY early this morning (and again just now), trying to get to the guestbook and the HOME PAGE of SL was blank, with these words only:
will return shortly
and underneath that is a picture of Bill standing in front of the KH. I thought, why a pic of him? Why not a pic of something from the NY March? (Well, maybe suvivors want to remain anonymous so he can't use their pictures, now that I think about it).
Anyway, I sent this current email from Bill to Rev and he/Rev just replied to me via this Private Message (which I do not think he/Rev will mind me sharing under the circumstances. This is why he/Rev has been posting everything publicly, to CYA, so to speak...) I'm not saying BB is doing this on purpose, I think somebody bigger and smarter than all of us is playing games with SL & Rev. Remember the hackers?? and the 1,400+ IP addys that have had to be deleted (I mean "BLOCKED") from the guestbook due to the trolls and hackers there? I hope everyone will not jump to conclusions on this!/SLC
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From: ~ RevMalk ~
To: SLC
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:33 am
Subject: Re: URGENT!!!
Bullshit!
You watch, he'll blame this on me.....go to google.com, and so a search on 'silentlambs'. Click on ANY silentlambs website that goes to any other page BUT the index. IE: Click on the 2nd link in this search, it shows up, which means only their index page has been removed either by them or someone else. And no matter what they should have a back-up copy of it, and it takes 10 seconds to upload.
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Edited by SLC to take OUT those thingies around email addy's that make it so they do NOT show up, because I wanted the SL email addy's to show up in the headers. I also added VERY to "early" this morning because I've been up since 1 AM last night and I know I went to the SL Guestbook sometime VERY EARLY.
Also, yesterday the SL Home Page had two smilie faces under the big 23,720 number on the home page, which Rev and I thought was odd. Why put smilie faces under that number of pedophiles? Anyway, I posted a comment about that on JWD yesterday in one of the current threads about all of this, can't remember which one.
Also, while I am at it: Last Saturday morning Bill emailed me to see if I still wanted to help SL, which of course I do. I didn't get a chance to reply to him until Sunday night (last Sunday) and I sent him a ton of stuff I had been working on.
AND BY THE WAY: (Adding this to this JWD thread since I am just now thinking of it: Those emails from Bill came to me via my PUBLIC-FORUM ADDRESS, the one I use here and at LRD and which I used in the SL guestbook in the "old days." At first I thought it was a little odd since Bill has my REAL email address, but then again I figured he was merely reading at one of the forums and just clicked on my addy at the forum).
Then I never heard back from Bill for two days, and then Tuesday night was the hacker and the 1st big mess wherein Rev/Bill's emails said they had not been receiving each other's emails.
So I got to wondering if Bill had ever received the 10 emails of stuff I had sent him last Sunday night? So I wrote Bill again and asked, "Did you get all my emails?" He replied that "as far as he knew, he did not receive them, and would I send them again?"
So last Wednesday night I re-emailed Bill 11 emails of stuff. Bill then replied that same night thanking me and said he'd be in touch later.
So, you see, he wasn't getting emails. And I have seen TH and others say they have not received emails from BB.
Something screwy is going on.
When Bill wrote me last weekend the FIRST time (last Saturday morning), and I didn't reply yet, he wrote me early Sunday evening (I received it the same time I was actually answering his first email). Anyway, this 2nd email from Bill came from a different address. So I immediately replied to it to tell him (1) Yes, I got his first email and was in the midst of replying to it; and (2) I see he has a new address, so which address should I reply to him? Either this new one or the other [email protected]?
Well, I never got a reply from him to those questions, so I went ahead and re-emailed everything (all 11 emails) to him at BOTH of those addresses (the new and the old) just to make sure he got them. But he never did, as I found out a few days later when (after the Bill/Rev FIRST disaster) I wrote BB and asked if he got my SUNDAY night emails, as described above, and he said "as far as I know I never received them, please resend them..."
OK, I know I am rambling, but let me finish...
Wednesday night is the night I re-emailed everything to Bill at his [email protected] address. This time I did NOT send anything to that other address, but Bill did confirm it WAS an address that HE created since he had been having email problems. (I had asked him if it was LEGIT or not, so he confirmed it was LEGIT).
It was info@xxxxxxxxx (I won't say what it is just in case it's not supposed to be public).
Anyway, Thursday I get an email from the person who owns the company of this new email addy of Bill's, and he said the "info@xxxxxxx" was not Bill Bowen's address. So I replied saying Thank You, and sent a cc of that to Bill. The man wrote back and said, No problem, he just wanted to make sure I knew. I wrote back again and said, Thanks again, and also cc'd that to Bill.
OK. For whatever it means and for whatever it is worth, that's the screwy email events of this past week as far as I experienced. And what happened to all the 10 emails I sent to Bill last Sunday night to both his [email protected] address AND to the other addy info@xxxxxx? I have no idea. That's why I think someone is messing around big time with the SL site and Bill's email and God knows what else.
(I know this is confusing, as I am typing fast and not necessarily describing things in order. Sorry!)
ADDING this also to this JWD thread: The other day I got a blank email from [email protected]. It was addressed to my public addy (the one I use here and LRD). There was NO message in the body of the email. The subject line said: Cellpadding. And it had two attachments. I have no idea who this address is from. I do not like it when people send an email with NO message in the body of the email. Also, I will not open attachments from people I do not know and who do not explain themselves. I told an online friend about this, and they offered to research the headers and stuff, and this was their reply to me about this particular mysterious email:
Atlanta Georgia is what I come up with right now. Some of the headers were faked, and that means that this ISN'T an automated virus such as has been going around JWD and related sites since January 2002.This was sent to you deliberately as far as I can tell.
And while I'm at it, I also received a similar mystery email back on 10/5/02 (same time as the wars were going on here about the silentlamb request for the GB to attend a JC). There was no mesage in the body of the email, but with attachment(s) (can't remember how many); and the subject line had said: " I lost my license key. Can I get it back again" This email was also addressed to my public-forum addy, and it was from: starsfan50 [email protected]
I never asked anyone to run headers or investigate, so I have no trace info on that one. FWIW.
Disclaimer: I am not sharing all of this in order to bore everyone to tears, nor to try and make Bill look bad or good; nor to make Rev look bad or good. I am merely sharing it because it is the weird stuff I personally have experienced in the past week as far as emails and such, for the record. And if there's anything in here which should not be, Simon, please help me out! Thanks!
I have to say. I think the way the passwords are handed out, they're lucky they haven't had more problems. I said it before, I told him to be more careful, everyone and their uncle had access to it when it was on my server
I think this is why it's important to determine who could have accessed the site in case someone has tried to cause trouble behind the scenes.
Although hackers get the headlines, most security breaches are inside jobs or human mistakes.
If it was really a hacker (amazing timing?!) then how it is secured, what it's running on etc... needs to be reviewed. Even the server-side code to make sure there are no vulnerabilities.
Although hackers get the headlines, most security breaches are inside jobs or human mistakes.
If it was really a hacker (amazing timing?!) then how it is secured, what it's running on etc... needs to be reviewed. Even the server-side code to make sure there are no vulnerabilities.
ALL very true, I'm just glad I was nowhere near this one
Although, with the recent emails sent out, it certainly would seem like that was the insinuation, but then again maybe I'm just paranoid nowadays. Maybe Bill should clarify that for us.
silentlambs would not access through my bookmark in favoutites, however, i managed to get onto the site ( what appears to be the old style site) by using a link provided in Trauma_Hounds thread,
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=42566&site=3
When I tried to open any of the site links, (FAQ etc), I got a message part of which said
Open the 66.96.211.34 Home page, I did this and got
So whats that all about then ?
searcher.
