Help on translation of Lord/Jehovah in NWT

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NewLight2 and Moxy: Thanks for the links. I have several of the books offered there, and reviewed them again to compare to my own count. The Divine Name in the New World Translation says (pp. 20-21) (bold added):

"The table lists only 78 instances (or 76 when the 1 Peter references are omitted) in which a Christian Scripture quotation can be traced directly to a Hebrew Scripture reference. Careful cross-reference examination of all Jehovah references in the New World Translation of the Greek Scriptures indicates that there are probably at least 154 quotations in the Christian Scriptures which can be traced to any one of: 1) a direct use of the divine name, 2) an action attributed to Jehovah, or 3) a context in which Jehovah is the one referred to in the Hebrew Scriptures .1 J 20 is a conservative rather than an exhaustive source of Hebrew Scripture quotations.
6. It is nonetheless surprising to realize that the remaining 83 Jehovah references in the New World Translation Christian Scriptures were not derived from Hebrew Scripture quotations."

So, in terms of direct evidence, ~80 of the ~240 occurences of "Jehovah" in the NWT NT could properly be interpreted (though not translated) as "the Lord" = "Jehovah."

As for the other two-thirds (listed below), like artful said:

each scripture would have to be analyzed individually and/or in combination with supporting scriptures.

Matt	1:20
Matt	1:22
Matt	1:24
Matt	2:13
Matt	2:15
Matt	2:19
Matt	3:3
Matt	4:4
Matt	4:7
Matt	4:10
Matt	5:33
Matt	21:9
Matt	21:42
Matt	22:37
Matt	22:44
Matt	23:39
Matt	27:10
Matt	28:2
Mark	1:3
Mark	5:19
Mark	11:9
Mark	12:11
Mark	12:29
Mark	12:29
Mark	12:30
Mark	12:36
Mark	13:20
Luke	1:6
Luke	1:9
Luke	1:11
Luke	1:15
Luke	1:16
Luke	1:17
Luke	1:25
Luke	1:28
Luke	1:32
Luke	1:38
Luke	1:45
Luke	1:46
Luke	1:58
Luke	1:66
Luke	1:68
Luke	1:76
Luke	2:9
Luke	2:9
Luke	2:15
Luke	2:22
Luke	2:23
Luke	2:23
Luke	2:24
Luke	2:26
Luke	2:39
Luke	3:4
Luke	4:8
Luke	4:12
Luke	4:18
Luke	4:19
Luke	5:17
Luke	10:27
Luke	11:35
Luke	12:38
Luke	20:37
Luke	20:42
John	1:23
John	6:45
John	12:13
John	12:38
John	12:38
Acts	1:24
Acts	2:20
Acts	2:21
Acts	2:25
Acts	2:34
Acts	2:39
Acts	2:47
Acts	3:19
Acts	3:22
Acts	4:26
Acts	4:29
Acts	5:9
Acts	5:19
Acts	7:31
Acts	7:33
Acts	7:49
Acts	7:60
Acts	8:22
Acts	8:24
Acts	8:25
Acts	8:26
Acts	8:39
Acts	9:31
Acts	10:33
Acts	11:21
Acts	12:7
Acts	12:11
Acts	12:17
Acts	12:23
Acts	12:24
Acts	13:2
Acts	13:10
Acts	13:11
Acts	13:12
Acts	13:44
Acts	13:47
Acts	13:48
Acts	13:49
Acts	14:3
Acts	14:23
Acts	15:17
Acts	15:17
Acts	15:35
Acts	15:36
Acts	15:40
Acts	16:14
Acts	16:15
Acts	16:32
Acts	18:21
Acts	18:25
Acts	19:20
Acts	21:14
Romans	4:3
Romans	4:8
Romans	9:28
Romans	9:29
Romans	10:13
Romans	10:16
Romans	11:3
Romans	11:34
Romans	12:11
Romans	12:19
Romans	14:4
Romans	14:6
Romans	14:6
Romans	14:6
Romans	14:8
Romans	14:8
Romans	14:8
Romans	14:11
Romans	15:11
1 Corinthians	1:31
1 Corinthians	2:16
1 Corinthians	3:20
1 Corinthians	4:4
1 Corinthians	4:19
1 Corinthians	7:17
1 Corinthians	10:9
1 Corinthians	10:21
1 Corinthians	10:21
1 Corinthians	10:22
1 Corinthians	10:26
1 Corinthians	11:32
1 Corinthians	14:21
1 Corinthians	16:7
1 Corinthians	16:10
2 Corinthians	3:16
2 Corinthians	3:17
2 Corinthians	3:17
2 Corinthians	3:18
2 Corinthians	3:18
2 Corinthians	6:17
2 Corinthians	6:18
2 Corinthians	8:21
2 Corinthians	10:17
2 Corinthians	10:18
Galations	3:6
Ephesians	2:21
Ephesians	5:17
Ephesians	5:19
Ephesians	6:4
Ephesians	6:7
Ephesians	6:8
Colossians	1:10
Colossians	3:13
Colossians	3:16
Colossians	3:22
Colossians	3:23
Colossians	3:24
1 Thessalonians	1:8
1 Thessalonians	4:6
1 Thessalonians	4:15
1 Thessalonians	5:2
2 Thessalonians	2:2
2 Thessalonians	2:13
2 Thessalonians	3:1
2 Timothy	1:18
2 Timothy	2:19
2 Timothy	2:19
2 Timothy	4:14
Hebrews	2:13
Hebrews	7:21
Hebrews	8:2
Hebrews	8:8
Hebrews	8:9
Hebrews	8:10
Hebrews	8:11
Hebrews	10:16
Hebrews	10:30
Hebrews	12:5
Hebrews	12:6
Hebrews	13:6
James	1:7
James	1:12
James	2:23
James	2:23
James	3:9
James	4:10
James	4:15
James	5:4
James	5:10
James	5:11
James	5:11
James	5:14
James	5:15
1 Peter	1:25
1 Peter	3:12
1 Peter	3:12
2 Peter	2:9
2 Peter	2:11
2 Peter	3:8
2 Peter	3:9
2 Peter	3:10
2 Peter	3:12
Jude	5
Jude	9
Jude	14
Revelation	1:8
Revelation	4:8
Revelation	4:11
Revelation	11:17
Revelation	15:3
Revelation	15:4
Revelation	16:7
Revelation	18:8
Revelation	19:6
Revelation	21:22
Revelation	22:5
Revelation	22:6

(Sorry for this long list...I copied over from an Excel spreadsheet)

Craig

eyeslice

Many thanks for the comments and links. They are very useful - I need to do some more personal research on this subject. It seems that I have taken so much for granted up until now but the subject is extremely important to our understanding of the NT.
Eyeslice
Earnest

Craig, the problem that we have in identifying references to the Hebrew scriptures is that it is not always clear which scripture is referred to and, in fact, whether there is a reference at all because it is not specified. This can be just as true today in conversation or correspondence where you might quote a few words which your audience would recognise - "bad association...", "do not forsake...", "the fruits of the spirit..." - and we know what it says and where it comes from. There is good reason to believe that the Jews committed a large amount of scripture to memory (and in fact there are various mnemonic aids, particularly in Psalms) and so would have been aware when scripture was alluded to. There is an additional problem in identifying the reference because it is clear they were not always using the Hebrew scriptures which we use. Often they were quoting from the Septuagint of which there were diverse copies. And a consideration of the Dead Sea Scrolls shows there was diversity there too (e.g. some extra psalms).
Whether or not it is correct to use the divine name in the NT is not clear-cut. I don't think there can be criticism of those who do not use it as there are no extant manuscripts containing it. On the other hand it is clear that the divine name was replaced with 'lord' in the Septuagint in the first and/or second century AD and so it is not unreasonable to contend that was also true of the NT. So, when considering the verses that may have been affected we have to look at the instances where 'lord' definitely refers to Jehovah, where the OT is quoted or alluded to, and where Hebraisms are used which contain the divine name in the OT.
Using the information from The Tetragrammaton and the Christian Greek Scriptures (which can be downloaded from the link Moxy gave) I would like to consider the info you provided in greater depth.
The Divine Name in the New World Translation
says (pp. 20-21) (bold added):
"The table lists only 78 instances (or 76 when the 1 Peter references are omitted) in which a Christian Scripture quotation can be traced directly to a Hebrew Scripture reference.

In addition to these , The Tetragrammaton and the Christian Greek Scriptures (T&CGS) lists the following 26 places where "Jehovah" is based on a Hebrew Scripture quotation using the divine name:
Matthew 4:4.................Deuteronomy 8:3
Luke 1:17.....................Isaiah 40:3
Luke 1:76.....................Malachi 3:1
John 6:45......................Isaiah 54:13
Acts 2:39.......................Joel 2:32
Acts 7:33.......................Exodus 3:5
Romans 4:3....................Genesis 15:6
Romans 10:13................Joel 2:32
2 Corinthians 3:16...........Exodus 34:34
Galations 3:6...................Genesis 15:6
Colossians 3:16..............1 Chronicles 16:23
1 Thessalonians 5:2.........Zephaniah 1:14
2 Thessalonians 2:2.........Zephaniah 1:14
Hebrews 2:13................Isaiah 8:18
James 2:23 (1st ref.).......Genesis 15:6
James 3:9.......................Psalm 34:1
James 5:11.....................Job 42:10
James 5:11.....................Psalm 103:8
James 5:15.....................Hosea 6:11
2 Peter 2:9.....................Psalm 34:19
Jude 9............................Zechaiah 3:2
Jude 14..........................Deuteronomy 33:2
Revelation 1:8................Isaiah 48:12
Revelatin 4:8..................Isaiah 6:3
Revelation 15:3..............Psalm 111:2
Revelation 22:5..............Isaiah 60:19
To these I would add:
Luke 1:68.....................Psalm 72:18
So, that brings our total to 105 in terms of direct evidence where the NWT NT could properly use "Jehovah."
In addition to these, T&CGS lists the following 9 places where "Jehovah" is based on a quotation which refers to the divine name although it is not found in the Hebrew Scripture verse per se.
An example of this is Acts 7:31,32 which is quoting from Exodus 3:6 and it says "But as he [Moses] was approaching to investigate, Jehovah's voice came, 'I am the God of your forefathers...' ". Exodus 3:6 actually says "And he went on to say: 'I am the God of your father...' " but verse 7 continues "And Jehovah added..." so it refers to the divine name.
Other similar verses are:
Acts 13:47....................Isaiah 49:6
1Corinthians 10:9..........Numbers 21:6
1 Corinthians 10:22.......Deuteronomy 32:21
2 Corinthians 6:18.........Isaiah 43:6
Hebrews 8:2.................Exodus 25:9
James 2:23.(2nd ref.).....Isaiah 41:8
2 Peter 3:8....................Psalm 90:4
Revelation 15:4.............Jeremiah 10:7
To these I would add:
2 Peter 3:9....................Isaiah 30:18
2 Peter 3:10,12.............Zephaniah 1:14
Now just a brief comment about Hebraisms which doubtless make up the majority of the "83 'Jehovah' references in the New World Translation Christian Scriptures were not derived from Hebrew Scripture quotations" (The Divine Name in the New World Translation, p.21).
We are accustomed to speak of the "angel of the Lord" because that is the way we hear it in nativity scenes, negro spirituals, hymn books and most bible translations. But amazingly the Hebrew scriptures never refer to the "angel of the Lord". It is always the "angel of Jehovah", "angel of God" or "angel of the true God", but predominantly "Jehovah's angel" (e.g. Numbers 22:22-27,31,32,34,35; Judges 2:1; 6:22; 13:13,15-18,20,21). So for more than a thousand years this has been a common expression. If, then, the NT suddenly starts referring to the "angel of the Lord" and there is reason to believe that elsewhere 'lord' has been substituted for 'Jehovah' I suggest that is a strong case for returning to the Hebraism. This affects nine verses - Matthew 1:20,24; 28:2; Luke 1:11; 2:9; Acts 5:19; 8:26; 12:7,23.
The same is true of the expression "the word of Jehovah". The Hebrew scriptures do not use the expression "word of the Lord" except three instances which refer to the "word of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah" (Ezekiel 6:3; 25:3; 36:4). But there are numerous references to "the word of Jehovah" (e.g. Ezekiel 1:3; 3:16; 6:1; 7:1; 11:14; 12:1,8,17,21,26; 13:1,2; 14:2,12; 15:1; 16:1,35; 17:1,11; 18:1; 20:2,45,47; 21:1,8,18; 22:1,17,23; 23:1; 24:1,15,20; 25:1; 26:1; 27:1; 28:1,11,20; 29:1,17; 30:1,20; 31:1; 32:1,17;33:1,23; 34:1,7,9; 35:1; 36:1,16; 37:4,15; 38:1). This is an expression devout Jews would be using all the time. In the NT the expression "word of the Lord/Jehovah" occurs 12 times at Acts 8:25; 12:24; 13:44,48,49; 15:35,36; 16:32; 19:20; 1 Thessalonians 1:8; 4:15 and 2 Thessalonians 3:1.
I also think a good case could be made for "glory of Jehovah" at Luke 2:9 and 2 Corinthians 3:18 (compare Exodus 16:7,10; 24:16,17; Numbers 14:10; 16:19,42; 20:6; Isaiah 35:2; 40:5; 58:8; 60:1; Ezekiel 1:28; 3:12,23; 10:4,18; 11:23; 43:4,5; 44:4), "law of Jehovah" at Luke 2:23,24,39 (compare 1 Chronicles 16:40; 22:12; 2 Chronicles 12:1; 17:9; 31:3,4; 35:26; Psalms 1:2; 19:7; 119:1) and "hand of Jehovah" at Luke 1:66; Acts 11:21 and 13:11 (compare Exodus 9:3; 13:3,9,14,16; 14:31; 15:6; 16:3; Isaiah 19:16; 25:10; 26:11; 40:2; 41:20; 51:17; 59:1; 62:3; 66:14).
In suggesting that these Hebraisms should influence translation of the NT it must be kept in mind that apart from the exception specified ("word of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah"), the expressions "word of the Lord", "glory of the Lord" and "hand of the Lord" simply do not exist in the entire OT. This alone should give pause for thought.
And, finally...compliments of the season.
Earnest
Edited by - Earnest on 26 December 2002 0:9:6
UnDisfellowshipped

This Thread has some very good information!
The Watchtower Society, by ADDING words to the Bible, such as "Jehovah" in the New Testament, has REALLY changed the original meaning of A LOT of Scriptures!
In the New Testament, they have INSERTED the Name "Jehovah" in certain Verses, but not others.
The Watchtower Society chose to replace the Greek word "Ku'rios" (which is translated as "Lord" or occasionally "God" in every Bible Translation except certain Verses in the NWT) with the Word Jehovah in the Verses where the Society wanted people to think that the Father was being referred to instead of Jesus.
Here is an example:
Acts 1:21: Of the men therefore who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus went in and out among us,
Acts 1:22: beginning from the baptism of John, to the day that He was received up from us, of these one must become a witness with us of His resurrection."
Acts 1:23: They put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Acts 1:24: They prayed, and said, "You, Jehovah (Ku'rios), who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
Acts 1:25: to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place."
Acts 1:26: They drew lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
You notice that? The Watchtower Society INSERTS the word "Jehovah" in Acts 1:24 to make it look like the Apostles were praying to the Father, when in actuality, I believe in this Verse, that they were praying to Jesus Christ because Christ is the One who chooses His Apostles.
Also, why didn't they translate the Greek word "Ku'rios" as "Jehovah" in Acts 1:21? Because it referred to Jesus, and the Society would NEVER apply the Name Jehovah to Christ!
Would I call the New World Translation a BIASED Translation?
Yes, it is definitely BIASED and SLANTED to REMOVE any Verse that talks about JESUS being GOD ALMIGHTY!
They have tried to change each and every Verse that shows Jesus receiving Worship or receiving Prayers.
Here are some more examples of the New World Translation INSERTING the Word "Jehovah" where in the Greek, it says "Lord", and you will see how they CHANGE the Scriptures that refer to JESUS into referring to THE FATHER (Jehovah):
Acts 7:59: They stoned Stephen as he called out, saying, "Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus, receive my spirit!"
Acts 7:60: He kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, "Jehovah (Ku'rios), don't hold this sin against them!" When he had said this, he fell asleep.
Acts 8:24: Simon answered, "Pray for me to Jehovah (Ku'rios), that none of the things which you have spoken happen to me."
Acts 8:25: They therefore, when they had testified and spoken the word of Jehovah (Ku'rios), returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans.
Acts 8:26: But an angel of Jehovah (Ku'rios) spoke to Philip, saying, "Arise, and go toward the south to the way that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza. This is a desert."
Acts 13:47: For so has Jehovah (Ku'rios) commanded us, saying, 'I have set you as a light for the Gentiles, That you should bring salvation to the uttermost parts of the earth.'"
Acts 14:23: When they had appointed elders for them in every assembly, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to Jehovah (Ku'rios), on whom they had believed.
Acts 21:13: Then Paul answered, "What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus."
Acts 21:14: When he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, "Jehovah's (Ku'rios) will be done."
Romans 10:8: But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;" that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
Romans 10:9: that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord (Ku'rios), and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
(NOTICE -- Why doesn't that Verse say "confess with your mouth that Jesus is Jehovah"?)
Romans 10:10: For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:11: For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed."
Romans 10:12: For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord (Ku'rios) is Lord (Ku'rios) of all, and is rich to all who call on him.
Romans 10:13: For, "Whoever will call on the name of Jehovah (Ku'rios) will be saved."
Romans 14:8: For if we live, we live to Jehovah (Ku'rios). Or if we die, we die to Jehovah (Ku'rios). If therefore we live or die, we are Jehovah's (Ku'rios).
Romans 14:9: For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord (Ku'rios) of both the dead and the living.
Ephesians 5:19: speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs; singing, and singing praises in your heart to Jehovah (Ku'rios);
Ephesians 5:20: giving thanks always concerning all things in the name of our Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus Christ, to God, even the Father;
Ephesians 5:21: subjecting yourselves one to another in the fear of Christ.
Ephesians 5:22: Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord (Ku'rios).
1st Thessalonians 4:15: For this we tell you by the word of Jehovah (Ku'rios), that we who are alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord (Ku'rios), will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep.
1st Thessalonians 4:16: For the Lord (Ku'rios) himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God's trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first,
1st Thessalonians 4:17: then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord (Ku'rios) in the air. So we will be with the Lord (Ku'rios) forever.
1st Thessalonians 4:18: Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Revelation 1:7: Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, including those who pierced him. All the tribes of the earth will mourn over him. Even so, Amen.
Revelation 1:8: "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah (Ku'rios) God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 22:6: He said to me, "These words are faithful and true. Jehovah (Ku'rios) God of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel to show to his bondservants the things which must happen soon."
Revelation 22:20: He who testifies these things says, "Yes, I come quickly." Amen! Yes, come, Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus.
Revelation 22:21: The grace of the Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus Christ be with all the saints. Amen.
Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 26 December 2002 5:56:24
LittleToe

Part of the problem is probably that we've been trained to believe that God means Father and Jehovah menas Father. If you read Jehovah means Jesus and God means Jesus (unless it specifically says Father), it seems to make more sense (that's a pretty broad stroke, I know, but you get the gist of what I mean).
My reading took on a whole new light when I started looking for where it explicitly said "Father".
After all, who is the Rock, Judge, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, "my Lord and my God", etc.?
Is it not Jehovah, no it's Jesus, no it's God, no it's Jehovah...
Earnest

UnDisfellowshipped:
The Watchtower Society, by ADDING words to the Bible, such as "Jehovah" in the New Testament, has REALLY changed the original meaning of A LOT of Scriptures!
Of course the reasoning underlying the use of 'Jehovah' in the NT is that the writers did use the divine name but copyists later replaced it with 'Lord'. So it is a moot point as to whether or not the original meaning of the scriptures has been changed.
The Watchtower Society chose to replace the Greek word "Ku'rios" (which is translated as "Lord" or occasionally "God" in every Bible Translation except certain Verses in the NWT) with the Word Jehovah in the Verses where the Society wanted people to think that the Father was being referred to instead of Jesus.
The use of 'Lord' does not mean that it automatically refers to Jesus. It can just as easily refer to the Father depending on the context. But there are a number of scriptures (some of which you mention) where the use of 'Lord' is ambiguous. It is also worth mentioning that the replacement of the divine name with 'Lord' in the OT by other translations has allowed for ambiguity when there was definitely none in the original, and (I suggest) has contributed towards confusing the identities of Jehovah and Jesus.
Acts 1:21: Of the men therefore who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus went in and out among us,
Acts 1:22: beginning from the baptism of John, to the day that He was received up from us, of these one must become a witness with us of His resurrection."
Acts 1:23: They put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Acts 1:24: They prayed, and said, "You, Jehovah (Ku'rios), who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
Acts 1:25: to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place."
Acts 1:26: They drew lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
You notice that? The Watchtower Society INSERTS the word "Jehovah" in Acts 1:24 to make it look like the Apostles were praying to the Father, when in actuality, I believe in this Verse, that they were praying to Jesus Christ because Christ is the One who chooses His Apostles.
There are verses in the OT which speak of Jehovah knowing the heart but I would not have thought that sufficient for using the divine name. Even so, with or without the divine name I believe that 'lord' refers to the Father in this verse.
Also, why didn't they translate the Greek word "Ku'rios" as "Jehovah" in Acts 1:21? Because it referred to Jesus, and the Society would NEVER apply the Name Jehovah to Christ!
Then the verse would read:
"Of the men therefore who have accompanied us all the time that JehovahJesus went in and out among us...".
That would be plain silly. "Jehovah Jesus" is not a Hebraism. You always have to consider the immediate context of the verse when deciding on translation and in this case I suggest there is no support for it.
Acts 8:25: They therefore, when they had testified and spoken the word of Jehovah (Ku'rios), returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel to many villages of the Samaritans.
Acts 8:26: But an angel of Jehovah (Ku'rios) spoke to Philip, saying, "Arise, and go toward the south to the way that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza. This is a desert."
The "word of Jehovah" (verse 25) and the "angel of Jehovah" (verse 26) are Hebraisms. See my previous post.
Acts 13:47: For so has Jehovah (Ku'rios) commanded us, saying, 'I have set you as a light for the Gentiles, That you should bring salvation to the uttermost parts of the earth.'"
Isaiah 49:6
Romans 10:8: But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;" that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
Romans 10:9: that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord (Ku'rios), and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
(NOTICE -- Why doesn't that Verse say "confess with your mouth that Jesus is Jehovah"?)
There is no reason to use 'Jehovah' in this verse and the context is against it.
Romans 10:10: For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:11: For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed."
Romans 10:12: For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord (Ku'rios) is Lord (Ku'rios) of all, and is rich to all who call on him.
Romans 10:13: For, "Whoever will call on the name of Jehovah (Ku'rios) will be saved."
Joel 2:32
1st Thessalonians 4:15: For this we tell you by the word of Jehovah (Ku'rios), that we who are alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord (Ku'rios), will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep.
1st Thessalonians 4:16: For the Lord (Ku'rios) himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God's trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first,
1st Thessalonians 4:17: then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord (Ku'rios) in the air. So we will be with the Lord (Ku'rios) forever.
1st Thessalonians 4:18: Therefore comfort one another with these words.
"word of Jehovah" is a Hebraism. See my previous post.
Revelation 1:7: Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, including those who pierced him. All the tribes of the earth will mourn over him. Even so, Amen.
Revelation 1:8: "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah (Ku'rios) God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 22:6: He said to me, "These words are faithful and true. Jehovah (Ku'rios) God of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel to show to his bondservants the things which must happen soon."
"Jehovah God" is a Hebraism. See my previous post.
Revelation 22:20: He who testifies these things says, "Yes, I come quickly." Amen! Yes, come, Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus.
Revelation 22:21: The grace of the Lord (Ku'rios) Jesus Christ be with all the saints. Amen.
"Jehovah Jesus" is not a Hebraism.
peacefulpete

Does this sound like an omnipotent God with an immutable message for all mankind? A serious study of textural critizism reveal abundant adjusting of the NT text since the time it was cannonized. Only recent efforts by dedicated paleographers has made us aware of this. The WTS and other such groups ironically emphasize that fact. This new research unwittingly has become a weapon to further divide people. Groups like the JWs tout their doctrine as the "original" Christian teachings often siting the findings of these researchers. Ignoring the fact that the NT does not reflect the earliest Christian beliefs, an objective bystander would rightly wonder what kind of God would let his life saving message be altered for 1900 years. The question posed by this thread simply confirms the human origin of this collection of writings.
UnDisfellowshipped

Earnest,
Thank you for your reply.
I will try to reply to all of your comments, but first I will reply to this comment:
There are verses in the OT which speak of Jehovah knowing the heart but I would not have thought that sufficient for using the divine name. Even so, with or without the divine name I believe that 'lord' refers to the Father in this verse.
Yes, you are correct that the Old Testament says Jehovah knows the heart, in fact the Old Testament says Jehovah is THE ONLY ONE who searches the hearts of men.
2nd Chronicles 6:30: then hear from Heaven, Your Dwelling-Place and forgive, and render to every man according to all his ways, whose heart You know; (for You, even You Only, know the hearts of the children of men;)
But what does the New Testament say?
Revelation 2:18: "To the angel of the assembly in Thyatira write: "The Son of God, who has His eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished brass, says these things:
Revelation 2:19: I know your works, your love, faith, service, patient endurance, and that your last works are more than the first.
Revelation 2:20: But I have this against you, that you tolerate your woman, Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. She teaches and seduces My servants to commit sexual immorality, and to eat things sacrificed to idols.
Revelation 2:21: I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality.
Revelation 2:22: Behold, I will throw her into a bed, and those who commit adultery with her into great oppression, unless they repent of her works.
Revelation 2:23: I will kill her children with Death, and all the assemblies will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.
I would love to hear an explanation of how Jesus can be "He who searches the minds and hearts" when the Old Testament says that Jehovah Only is the One who searches the hearts of men, unless Jesus is God.
I will try to comment more soon.
Also, I just want to show how very serious it is according to the Scriptures to ADD or TAKE AWAY from the Scriptures:
Revelation 22:18: I testify to everyone who hears the Words of the Prophecy of this Book, if anyone adds to them, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this Book.
Revelation 22:19: If anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this Prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the Holy City, which are written in this Book.
UnDisfellowshipped

Romans 10:8: But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;" that is, the word of faith, which we preach:
Romans 10:9: that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord (Ku'rios), and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:10: For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:11: For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed."
Romans 10:12: For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord (Ku'rios) is Lord (Ku'rios) of all, and is rich to all who call on him.
Romans 10:13: For, "Whoever will call on the name of Jehovah (Ku'rios) will be saved."
The entire context of Romans 10:8-13 is talking about JESUS being LORD.
It would make no sense why the Apostle Paul would all of a sudden switch over in Romans 10:13 and start talking about the Father.
Rather, Paul was quoting Joel 2:32 and applying it to JESUS, which shows that Paul was saying that JESUS is JEHOVAH (but not the Father).
The Greek text reads "Whoever will call on the Name of the Lord will be saved".
Who did Paul say that we should confess as Lord a few Verses above that one? JESUS!
Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 27 December 2002 2:27:57
UnDisfellowshipped

Also, you said that "Jehovah God" in Revelation is a "Hebraism".
What's your point?
Does that justify adding "Jehovah" and removing "Lord" in Revelation?

Help on translation of Lord/Jehovah in NWT

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