Ashitaka,I`m not disputing the fact the baker lasted a long time in the water, or the eyewitness accounts of the mans survival, what I am disputing is the REASON why he lasted as long as he did. I mentioned in one of my posts that bodyfat is one factor that could help or hinder a persons chance of survival in a cold water dunking. Mary has a hard time believing this and counters with the argument that there were probably lots of overweight people and many of them died within the 1st 1/2 hour so the bodyfat factor is not believable.Well, in the same line of reasoning, out of the 1500 people that did die I`m sure MANY of them WERE drunk as can be, with 'natural antifreeze' running through their veins , tell me why then we have only heard of one miracle survival story ( That being the baker.) I would counter that if more people laid off the booze during those key final moments then maybe the death toll would not have been as high as it was. If any of us happen to be in a situation where we are faced with a cold water dunking PLEASE empty the hard liquor in the waters around you NOT down your gullet, it won`t help.