Survey about Depression & Therapy

by ESTEE 22 Replies latest jw experiences

  • moreisbetter
    moreisbetter

    There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that individuals actively seeking treatment for psychiatric issues are some of the strongest, courageous people around. There are many physical & emotional factors to be endured on the road to recovery. It takes the same kind of strong will, stronger actually, to travel this road as any other physical illness. I say this because the effects of the treatment on the body & psyche is not nearly as profound as the effects suffered by family, friends, & society. This travelled road can also be long.

    I wont't go into the the effects of prescription drug therapy, because in my opinion, thats the easier part of treatment. But the support system that exists is the hardest. This is the time for compassion for what the patient is going through for it is "real". However, what is often the case is pity, condescension, scolding, or just plain apathy & alienation. If you are a current JW, you get all of this plus the guilt trip laid on you that your not faithful; your not doing god's will or worse, you must be doing something against god's will. OMG, you could even be demonized! Shudder!!! Your KH brothers & sisters are afraid of you & will subconsciously DF you.

    One thing I guess I'm gratefull for is the 1987 Awake that finally recognized mental illness as a physiological issue, not a spritual one. for the 1st time that I recall, witnesses were allowed to seek psychiatric assistance. If it weren't for that, I would be dead. I have been treating depression chemically for 15 years. 10 of those years I spent treating bi-polar disorder, without support. Just recently, a new doc decided I may have an anxiety disorder on top of an inadequately treated severe depression, rather than bi-polar. Whatever.

    This is a very interesting thread. I could go on, but should probably end this post now. I'm very passionate about this topic, & if I can be of assistance, please feel free to email me.

    These are only my opinions. Much love to all.

    Theresa

    Edited by - moreisbetter on 1 January 2003 1:8:15

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    I've had a mountain of abuse to overcome. From my family, to individual Jws, to the org. The toll it took on me was severe, I only remember my life in bits and pieces. Some periods of times i have no remembrance of at all. i remember once just sort of waking up in my parents home and not knowing who they were. I was in my twenties at that time. This went on until i was in late 30's and then all systems broke down. I was very ill, and required a great deal of help. I got none from the elders or any jws. If they could have spit on me , they would have. I got psychiatric help and had a wonderful psychologist. it took him 2 years to break through the jw mindset. But finally i listened to him . I finally grew to trust him.. this was hard, b/c i had learned to trust no one, not even myself. I'm not going to tell u that everythihg went great and moved forward. it wanned and waxed. today, i am still in therapy, but i feel i have been able to reslove most of the abuse issues.. Sure they still hurt, and i have scars, but i am still here, and i survived. But i have been left with low sef estem and the stress has taken a toll physically on me. i am not as healthy as i used to be, due to a lot of stress induced illnesses.I was once a very outgoing person and made friends easily. Now i am fearful of people and am always watching me back.The person i used to be would open their home to a stranger. Now u would need references. But i would not be alive today were it not for my doctors. Just as heart surgery can save your life and insulin can help u if u are diabetic, therapy and medicine has helped me regain some of my life. Right now, i am trying to learn to have fun and be happy. I have spent so many years being sad and feeling i was a bad person. For this and may other things, i will not forgive jws. They could have helped and did not. They saw me lying on the roadside,nearly dead, and went over to the other side.

    Deciding to seek psychiatic help is the same as seeking help for anything else. I will be so glad when we come out of the dark ages and realize this. There would never be a thread entitled"i'm a diabetic, should i go to the doctor? take insulin? "

  • ESTEE
    ESTEE

    Wow! What a great response to this thread! Thank you all for your insightful posts! I really appreciate your input!

    Rebel wrote:

    For those of you that don't know, this means I was not allowed to leave until the doctors saw fit to let me out. They said I was a danger to myself (??? - how would they know) and I was in for 4 months. I had 3 children at home but still had to wait on this dopey doctor to decide to let me out. I hadn't done anything bad, I was just suffering from depression, but they decided to make an issue of it.

    My heart goes out to you Rebel. I am sorry to hear what a terrible ordeal you had with your therapy.

    Sentinel wrote:

    Friends and family are great, but sometimes, you need a stranger to help you face the things you need to face, and to recognize aspects of behavior that need changing. I highly recommend seeking therapy. I feel that it is a very good thing. We go to the medical doctor when our body hurts. When our emotions hurt or day to day living is too sad, too painful, and the depression keeps us from living our life fully and completely, we need to find a doctor for that as well. Ask first if they are familiar with JW's. If they aren't, go elsewhere. Don't waste your time.

    I agree with you Sentinel. Sometimes family is too close to us and sometimes are part of our problem. We need an objective third party to help us look rationally at the issues. Good logic with respect to searching for a doctor who understands jw issues, as well. My therapist understood how to help me heal from the jw bullsh**. Too bad it took so many years before I found someone like her. Anyway, I sure appreciate her! Excellent post, Sentinel!! Thanks!!

    Flower wrote:

    Most of my family acted like I was a leper and stared like I had three heads after they found out I was hospitalized with severe depression and suicidal tendencies after I was df'd.

    Im so sorry to hear how little support our families provide. Guess they would benefit from therapy! LOL I think perhaps family members look at themselves critically, and wonder how messed up they are, if you are seeking therapy. They probably wish they would have the guts to ask for help! My kids abandoned me when I was disfellowshipped. Its like, when you get into what the jws define as "spiritual trouble", and you need them the most, they run away. JWs are encouraged to run away from their issues rather than deal with them, is my conclusion on that.

    Scully wrote:

    Overall, my experience with "worldly people" regarding depression has been very positive. They are very supportive and care enough to find tangible ways to help. On the other hand, the JWs' solution to depression, like everything else, is "more field service", "more personal study", "more prayer", "more meetings", "quit feeling sorry for yourself because you have The TruthTM, and other people are worse off than you". What they do - whether it's their intent or not - is pile guilt on the backs of people who are already overwhelmed with negativity, increasing their emotional burden, and implying that they are still and always will be "not good enough for Jehovah".

    When the jws fail us, and we need help, we naturally turn to worldly therapy. It is the nature of the beast. We zero in where the help emanates from, and it isnt the jws. Seems to me, the jws add to the depression rather than relieve it.

    LOL @ BigTex!!!

    We all have problems. Anyone who says they don't is ... one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Yup! Cuz they are TOLD they are such a happy happy people!!!!!! It must be true! <pasted on smile>

    Moreisbetter wrote:

    One thing I guess I'm gratefull for is the 1987 Awake that finally recognized mental illness as a physiological issue, not a spritual one.

    So, the official status of the jws is that mental illness is physiological and not spiritual? Now Im wondering why their solution to mental illness is MORE SERVICE, MORE BIBLE READING, MORE PRAYER.. MORE MORE MORE !!! Spiritual solution to a physiological issuesHmmmm. . . .something is not adding up.

    Thanks for your posts everyone!

    ((((HUGS TO EVERYONE SUFFERING WITH DEPRESSION)))))

    Love from your sis,

    ESTEE

  • moreisbetter
    moreisbetter

    Estee,

    I sincerely hope my comment was not offensive. I'm posting here to clarify my statement.

    I am grateful that the article came out because it was then "permissible" for me to seek help for my depression & anger which I did. Even though it didn't come out soon enough, if it hadn't come out at all I would not have sought treatment & would have eventually succeeded in my suicide attempts. I definently don't credit any JW or any of their other literature for me being alive and functioning today. To my understanding, until 1987, psychiatriac issues were always considered a spritual weakness or demonism. Most all therapy was taboo. The article I referred to revealed the corelation between certain brain chemicals and depression. That made it a physical problem & therefore was acceptable for a JW to seek prescription drug treatment. Again, its my understanding is that this was the 1st time this information was given to the rank & file cong. members and declare drug therapy acceptable. A warning was also givien that psycho therapy, the customary conjunctive treatment, should be avoided based on the prevailing beliefs that therapists do not share JW standards and could sway our christian thinking. Or in other words, try to convince us of the obvious that we were part of a cult and help to free us from it. The JW brand of psychotherapy is as you said, do more, more, more of their kind of spritual works, all to coverup the obvious that a person is a member of a dangerous cult.

    I'm not sure what the official JW viewpoint on mental illness is, & sincerely apologize if my statement referred to one. IMO, the "unofficial" JW veiw is anyone that can't for whatever reason slap on a happy face & blindly promote their dogma as if they don't have a care in the world should be treated with cold contempt.

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    More, I too remember 1987 and the articles. i was very ill about that time and eventually sought major help the next year in 88. the elders still acted if i was not a real jw for seeking help and one even said"my doc has a real gravy train". Stupid hateful people. they were willing to concede that perhaps schizophrenai and those type illnesses were medical and needed treatment, but depression was still suspect, unless u wre a popular elder/elders wife/co/do.

    See my post above for more details.

    good for u getting help. we should all get out to the dark ages .

    Edited by - wednesday on 1 January 2003 5:11:31

  • breeze
    breeze

    I have told several Doctors that I struggle with it daily, none so far have offered any help!!

    I am having feet problems and the B-6 the Doctors have prescribed has helped me withe depression!!

    Psychiatric Screening Tests

    http://www.med.nyu.edu/Psych/screens/depres.html

    Test for depression problems....at the above sites....

    Edited by - breeze on 1 January 2003 6:44:27

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic

    ESTEE,

    This is a great topic, I'm finding it a bit late for the conversation and I'm going to write a whole lot more than most of my usual "fluff" posts and hope I don't hit the delete button for fear of revealing too much about myself, so here goes.......my story.

    I grew up in an alcoholic household, my father was the alcoholic and my mother was the co-dependant trying her best to get him to quit drinking and raise five kids, in the B'org. Being in such a disfunctional family, on top of being raised a JW was very confusing and weird to say the least however I do contribute any and all of the good that came from my life due to being raised a JW, it did provide some stability in my life and good values ect...that is something I will always be grateful for and when I passed it along to my children I was doing what I thought to be best for them at the time. Complete with the alcoholic husband, I repeated my parents life, our five kids raised in the B'org too. The kids left the truth long ago and before I did, part of it I think is because I allowed them to think for themselves and tought them the things I learned while getting help in therapy and ACOA.

    breeze the link you sent has some really good information I copied and will paste the questions on depression:

    Are You Depressed?

    FOR MORE THAN TWO WEEKS:

    1. Do you feel sad, blue, unhappy or "down in the dumps"?

    2. Do you feel tired, having little energy, unable to concentrate?

    3. Do you feel uneasy, restless or irritable?

    4. Do you have trouble sleeping or eating (too little or too much)?

    5. Do you feel that you are not enjoying the activities that you used to?

    6. Do you feel that you lost interest in sex or experiencing sexual difficulties?

    7. Do you feel that it takes you longer than before to make decisions or unable to concentrate?

    8. Do you feel inadequate, like a failure or that nobody likes you anymore?

    9. Do you feel guilty without a rational reason, or put yourself down?

    10. Do you feel that things always go or will go wrong no matter how hard you try?

    The point I would like to make here is as some have stated when you are ill with any physical illness you seek out a doctor to treat it, say you are having heart problems and your family doctor sends you to a heart specialist. It's no different for the same family doctor to recommend you see a Psyciatrist if you are suffering from depression or emotional problems, it's just a different "part" of the body that needs fixing, period! The only weekness is that which the body cannot fix without help so things break down weather it's in our psychie or body.

    For most of if not all of my life until 13 years ago I suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts daily. It was such a way of life for me I didn't know I was ill. I just coped, did the best I could and tried to live up to all that was expected of me. It wasn't until my children started to show signs of acting out my suicidal thoughts that I sought help for them then eventually myself.

    Fortunately in my early 20's I developed an interest in reading things that had to do with psychiatry and all my years of reading anything I could get my hands on helped me to see that regardless of what the WTS had to say I knew differently. I didn't have any problem with seeking help when it became so desperately needed. Thus began a long road to recovery and I recommend therapy for anyone who is suffering from depression or any other kind of mental or emotional problems.

    The help is out there some of it free in support groups like AA or CoDA, it all works, it all takes time and above all else it does take courage to start going, and to hang in there over all the rough spots.

    To me it was like walking thru a tunnel, when you get to the middle and it's dark, you look back and can see the familar of where you've been and you know how to deal with thatthe pull to go back is very strong.....if you're lucky at this point you'll remember something aweful that happened back then and you'll choose to keep going pushing on to the unknown. Knowing that what you've learned so far is helping and your desire to get well is so strong, yet unknown like the dark tunnel you are in but eventually you see a tiny light (strides in wellness) at the end of the tunnel.......it draws you, you continue, it becomes lighter, (more strides) you keep going, you keep learning about yourself, you draw from all the strength inside you and learn you aren't really so bad and that you are very strong and you've learned new coping skills that you know will help you from now on. The light is bright you've reached the end of the tunnel, and it was a long haul but now you can hardly remember the person who started this long journey from the person you are now.

    And so your question ESTEE, does it take courage, YES! Are you week to admit you are depressed, NO! Admission is half the battle! This paragraph you wrote sums it up perfectly:

    It is my opinion that it takes courage to go into therapy because the therapy helps a person to face their fears and deal with their issues - - - instead of deny and supress them. This would in fact mean that it is an emotionally strong person who is courageous enough to explore their issues in therapy and re-learn, re-program and re-parent themselves if they have had a stolen childhood, etc., due to trauma or abuse . . . . After all, they are survivors!

    Thanks for the opportunity to spill my guts......I think I'll hit the reply button.

    Katie

  • ESTEE
    ESTEE

    More great input from my favorite forum!!! Wow! Thanks so much!!! I feel just so-o-o-o pleeeeeeeased!!!!

    Moreisbetter wrote:

    But the support system that exists is the hardest. This is the time for compassion for what the patient is going through for it is "real". However, what is often the case is pity, condescension, scolding, or just plain apathy & alienation. If you are a current JW, you get all of this plus the guilt trip laid on you that your not faithful; your not doing god's will or worse, you must be doing something against god's will. OMG, you could even be demonized! Shudder!!! Your KH brothers & sisters are afraid of you & will subconsciously DF you.

    Very well put, I think, Theresa! Guilt trips from the jws does not help, it adds to the depressed persons load, rather than lightens it. The jws further alienate, rather than support. . .too bad, because a depressed person often alienates themself and any further alienation only confirms their greatest fear, namely, that their self-hatred is warranted. They must be doing something against God to be feeling this bad. Well, that just isnt fair. JW mindset is the miserable failure here.

    Wednesday wrote:

    I got psychiatric help and had a wonderful psychologist. it took him 2 years to break through the jw mindset. But finally i listened to him . I finally grew to trust him.. this was hard, b/c i had learned to trust no one, not even myself..But i have been left with low sef estem and the stress has taken a toll physically on me. i am not as healthy as i used to be, due to a lot of stress induced illnesses.I was once a very outgoing person and made friends easily.

    Wednesday, you are awesome! It is very hard to trust people on the outside after the years of being told we cannot trust the world. Our self-esteem does take a beating if we are jw. JW mindset is indeed a very stressful way to live, since we constantly were reminding ourself that we were falling short and not quite measuring up to thier rigid standards. JW lifestyle does take a toll on our physical health as a result of the high stress. . . Ugh!!!

    Moreisbetter wrote:

    until 1987, psychiatriac issues were always considered a spritual weakness or demonism. Most all therapy was taboo. The article I referred to revealed the corelation between certain brain chemicals and depression. That made it a physical problem & therefore was acceptable for a JW to seek prescription drug treatment. Again, its my understanding is that this was the 1st time this information was given to the rank & file cong. members and declare drug therapy acceptable. A warning was also givien that psycho therapy, the customary conjunctive treatment, should be avoided based on the prevailing beliefs that therapists do not share JW standards and could sway our christian thinking. Or in other words, try to convince us of the obvious that we were part of a cult and help to free us from it. The JW brand of psychotherapy is as you said, do more, more, more of their kind of spritual works, all to coverup the obvious that a person is a member of a dangerous cult.

    Moreisbetter, I am agreeing with your comments, and I am not offended in the least. I did not mean to imply otherwise. I was still a jw when that article came out, and it did give me permission to seek help. And like you say, the article did not prevent the elders and my jw friends to wonder if I was demonized or lacking in spirituality. It is the jw mindset, of course. Just because one favorable article comes out, it did not automatically mean the jws would accept the implications and not make negative judgments. One article will not negate their jw fears. The only way to remove the jw fears is to be outside the organization and re-train and re-educate yourself. Too much co-dependence, mind control and judgments on the inside to make a positive impact. I very much appreciate hearing your comments, Theresa! Thanks!!

    Bikerchic wrote:

    I grew up in an alcoholic household, my father was the alcoholic and my mother was the co-dependant trying her best to get him to quit drinking and raise five kids, in the B'org. Being in such a disfunctional family, on top of being raised a JW was very confusing and weird to say the least however I do contribute any and all of the good that came from my life due to being raised a JW, it did provide some stability in my life and good values ect...that is something I will always be grateful for and when I passed it along to my children I was doing what I thought to be best for them at the time. Complete with the alcoholic husband, I repeated my parents life, our five kids raised in the B'org too. The kids left the truth

    Bikerchic . . . your story sounds like mine, except that my kids are still jws. You are indeed very fortunate to have your children in your life. Mine are lost somewhere in the jw maze of confusion. Also, thanks for including the questions for anyone who wishes to critique themselves. . .great contribution to this thread, Katie!! Yes, jw-ism has a long road of recovery attached to it, (nine years for meee!!) . . .and I agree that it takes an ENORMOUS amount of courage to admit to needing help and then to start out on that long, arduous journey of recovery. There is always the chance of falling back down. No one has to stay down, though . . . you will rise like a phoenix out of the ashes and rebuild your life into something MAGNIFICENT, I say!!!

    Thanks so much to everyone who has contributed to this thread, thus far!!!

    ESTEE

  • ugg
    ugg

    the hardest thing i ever did was seek help....the best thing i ever did was seek help...

  • Far North
    Far North

    I have been using antidepressants for a few years now and finally have also begun therapy sessions. I trace my depression back to about age 11 but always attributed it to some spiritual shortcoming of my own. Right now I am dealing with the issues of low self-esteem and anxiety. I'm not a basket case but I really didn't fear death. It seemed like the potential for a good rest.

    After several sessions I finally blurted out that I feel part of my problem comes from being raised in a high-control religion. Then I apologized several times about not wanting to bring reproach. The therapist assured me she is not there to judge. It should be an interesting next session.

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