Come on! NOTHING is Going To Refrom the WT!

by D8TA 28 Replies latest jw friends

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  D8TA

  This whole "reform" nonsense is driving me up the wall.

  NOTHING is going to "reform" the WTBTS. NOBODY is going to "reform" the WTBTS.

  Crying out loud, be realistic about this. We have a group of men who have at least some faith & belief that what they do is "divinely" approved, and they have 6 million suckers who follow. These are by no means nickle & dime grifters looking for the next oportunity to screw their "fellow brothers" over.

  They may not hold extreme ideas as ramming planes in to buildings, sending members to blow themselves up on a street corner or drink gallons of tainted Kool-Aid, but they do hold the same intoxicating perception of: God is on our side and our side only. They share from the same cup.

  Once a person(s) is drunk with that, there is nothing that is going to pursuade them to change. They, in their mind, have the ultimate authority to do as they please and never go wrong. Few..and I stress FEW...sober up from this.

  There are the cracks, and the most you can do is help (if you feel obligated to) those who slip thru them. But these "dreams" of "reform" are simply that..."dreams and fantasy".

  You can throw 1914, U.N. NGO, Pedophilia, Child Custody, Blood, Rape, Political Party Card Scandal snow balls at the brick wall of the WTBTS all day...and they will not "reform" or go "mainstream" ever. EVER. Most you can do is get a few member's attention and see if they are willing to climb down the wall themselves.

  Save the "oh yah, but but the government(s) can help..." stop, stop, stop. If any arm twisting came from the government(s), this would only be twisted in to a persecution argument and practice would be continued with underground means. Yes, even if it is about Blood and/or Pedophilia. Remember, these Governing Body people have "Jehovah" on their side? They believe it. They're willing to sacrafice their members lives and themselves to this...regardless what the issue is.

  Those who work within, or perhaps those who were kicked out and work against, the WTBTS to make reforms are going to find themselves in the same position as those before them. Talking upon the deaf ears of the Governing Body. They aren't interested in compromise, because in their mind, "Jehovah" doesn't allow compromise.

  Face it, "reform" isn't going to happen.
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  DannyBear

  Amen
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  whyhideit

  Why would you want to reform them? That would be like saying, "change and I will come back." I have no intention of ever going back. I am just thankful that I am gone.
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  onacruse

  Reform from without? Probably not.

  Reform from within? There's a lot of evidence that the org is dying from the inside out, no doubt due in large measure to their own stupidity and heavyhanded policy enforcement. However, considering that gossip is the lifeblood of the org, it stands to reason that publicizing the issues about pedophile policies, the NGO and abusive DFings will at least help a lot of JWs to see their organization for what it is. Maybe they'll leave, maybe they won't. But the org will be, and already is being, diminished.

  Craig
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  Brummie

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=43953&site=3
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  Big Tex

  I don't know if I agree that it's rotting from inside, but I certainly think they are changing, and not for the better. Metatron once said the organization will become more of what it already is: dumb and weird. If that holds true, and I think it's likely, then that will attract only those bears of limited brains and the fringes of society. Then again, Craig maybe it is rotting.

  There can't be any reforms to the organization, but there can be positive changes. Of course those changes will come only after a multitude of lawsuits and millions are paid out in settlements and attorneys' fees. Then, and only then, will a "new light" shine forth regarding the abusive DFing, pedophilia, etc.
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  david_10

  I read Metatron's thread that Brummie linked us to, and I'll concede that Metatron and some of the other posters made some valid points about Watchtower reform, but I really have to agree with D8TA-----they're not going to change. They are so arrogant that they would never give in. As far as paying out milloins and being forced to change---------maybe, but I have my doubts. It appears that the Bethel heavies are now very intent on selling off Brooklyn and other properties and they are converting as many assets as they can into cash. I would bet anything------ANYTHING------that even as we're discussing this, the society is in touch with several Swiss banks and are making arrangements to send their money overseas. It's all about the money.

  David
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  breeze

  Well said...here here...!!

  If reform is something in their future many more will have to fall away?? Millions?
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  Shakita

  D8TA:

  As much as I would like to hope that you are wrong, deep down I know that the WTBS will survive. They are not a small cult living in a commune somewhere. They have expanded to have followers around the globe. And, as long as there are people on the earth, there will be organizations out there who will exploit them.

  Maybe the WTBS will survive, but my hope is that the young people who are now growing up in this organization will have more opportunities through better education and resources such as the internet and books to make a more informed decision when deciding to turn over their life to the WTBS.

  I know personally many young people who have left the org. I also know those who choose to stay in. Those that stay in do so in the most part because of the social aspect. They do not want to lose the family and friends they have known for a lifetime.

  So, the WTBS does survive. It does not reform. People don't leave in droves.

  But, that doesn't mean that you give up trying or hoping for change.

  Mrs. Shakita
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  DannyBear

  While Judge Rutherford was patting Hitler on the back, jw's where operating underground, setting up mimeograph machines to distribute smuggeled literature.

  Even if the governments/courts impose fines, direct change of policy, there will be a very high percentage of the six million who will consider this part of 'the great tribulation' serving to empower a fervor for 'the truth'.......and we that were around prior to 1975 know first hand, what people with fervor can accomplish.

  It is in fact a fantasy, pipe dream, to believe anything will reform the WTBS.

  Danny