Blair: Saddam Will Be Disarmed Whatever It Takes. (page 5)

dubla

furthermore, are you saying simply that hussein holding office for 24 years validates his sanity? what exactly are you smoking these days?

Englishman

Anyone who doubts what Iraq's intentions are should read this:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/812204.asp

Englishman.

LB

in the ceasefire of 1991 Saddam agreed unconditionally to give up his weapons of mass destruction.

Much information about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction is already in the public domain from UN reports and from Iraqi defectors

As a result of the intelligence we judge that Iraq has:
continued to produce chemical and biological agents;
military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, including against its own Shia population. Some of these weapons are deployable within 45 minutes of an order to use them;
command and control arrangements in place to use chemical and biological weapons. Authority ultimately resides with Saddam Hussein. ( There is intelligence that he may have delegated this authority to his son Qusai);
developed mobile laboratories for military use, corroborating earlier reports about the mobile production of biological warfare agents;
pursued illegal programmes to procure controlled materials of potential use in the production of chemical and biological weapons programmes;
tried covertly to acquire technology and materials which could be used in the production of nuclear weapons; sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa, despite having no active civil nuclear power programme that could require it;
recalled specialists to work on its nuclear programme;
illegally retained up to 20 al-Hussein missiles, with a range of 650km, capable of carrying chemical or biological warheads;
started deploying its al-Samoud liquid propellant missile, and has used the absence of weapons inspectors to work on extending its range to at least 200km, which is beyond the limit of 150km imposed by the United Nations;
started producing the solid-propellant Ababil-100, and is making efforts to extend its range to at least 200km, which is beyond the limit of 150km imposed by the United Nations; constructed a new engine test stand for the development of missiles capable of reaching the UK Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus and NATO members ( Greece and Turkey) , as well as all Iraq's Gulf neighbours and Israel;
pursued illegal programmes to procure materials for use in its illegal development of long range missiles;
learnt lessons from previous UN weapons inspections and has already begun to conceal sensitive equipment and documentation in advance of the return of inspectors.

He does need to be dealt with regardless of political leanings. If we allow him to continue things will go very very bad. Even if you hate Bush or Blair this is going to go down. It's going to go down very soon. There is going to be massive loss of life. We will have to deal with that.

Realist

dubla,

a mad man doesn't realise in what situation he is in. a mad man would attack the US or israel not relising he has NO chance.

saddam is unscrupulous but he is NOT mad. he knows what he is doing.

LB:

does this list have anything todo with facts? NOT AT ALL! where are the facts? answer: there are no facts! neither the CIA nor the weapons inspectors have found anything substantial.

furthermore no connection to bin laden was demonstrated whatsoever.

lastly and i want to stress that point...WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD HUSSEIN TRY TO MESS WITH THE USA? would that make sense? CERTAINLY NO!!!

Aztec,you are GREAT!!! keep up the spirit!!!! :-))

LB

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD HUSSEIN TRY TO MESS WITH THE USA? would that make sense?

Did you see where that information came from? If not then I would say that nothing would satisfy you, ever so why bother wasting time with you.

For someone that calls themselves Realist I suggest a dose of reality would help you.

Pleasuredome

BLAIR AT PREVIOUS EURO TALKS

"NO, HONESTLY, THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE
I'M TELLING THEM THE TRUTH...
I KNOW, AMAZING ISN'T IT?
I MEAN ME OF ALL PEOPLE!"

Or do you want the jumbo size,
like I knew nothing about 9/11 till it happened?"

dubla

realist-

saddam is unscrupulous but he is NOT mad. he knows what he is doing.

it sounds to me like youre under the false assumption that one cannot be intelligent and insane at the same time. or maybe its just your particular definition of the word "mad". heres what dictionary.com has to say on it:

mad:

Suffering from a disorder of the mind; insane

so, we then look up "insanity"

insanity:

Persistent mental disorder or derangement.

so, weve got a definition that basically says a madman would be a man who has a mental disorder, one who is deranged. so you are claiming that hussein cannot possibly have this mental derangement, and i am saying he can and does, even though he is also intelligent. do you think the people behind 9/11 would be considered deranged/mad/insane? personally i consider them mad for the events they planned and caused....yet i also consider them intelligent.

i read an article on hussein once (ive been looking for it lately but cant find it again) about his dealings with one of his top aids. to summarize the story, basically sadaam had a meeting with his top aids, and the subject of whether or not he should temporarily step down came up. all the aids insisted he should never step aside....all but one, who suggested maybe temporarily stepping down might be a good idea, until the smoke blew over. the aid was taken into immediate custody for his suggestion, and thrown into prison. subsequently his wife, upon hearing of his incarceration, begged and pleaded with sadaam to return her husband to her, and hussein promised to do so. he kept his promise, by sending the woman her husband the next day, delivered to her doorstep in a plastic bag, his body chopped into small pieces.

now, please tell me how anyone capable of this type of perverted act can possibly be considered completely sane, in your mind. keep in mind, this is one story, and im sure youve heard many more, most of them even more disgusting and sick than this one. if you think he is not mad, do you also think that charles manson is completely sane, simply because he is intelligent, and "knows what he is doing" (your definition of sanity)?

aa

Crazy151drinker

last time I checked, Saddam launched Scuds at Isreal hoping they would attack and start a Middle East War, if thats not Mad then im not crazy.

Realist

ok i think this is just a problem of semantics...

in my opinion he has an very strong desire to survive and stay in office...and he won't do anything to threaten this plan.

is he unscrupulous and a obsessed with being the ruler of this country? sure!

is he mad like the guys in james bond movies? certainly not...because otherwise he would not have survived that long.

now, please tell me how anyone capable of this type of perverted act can possibly be considered completely sane, in your mind. keep in mind, this is one story, and im sure youve heard many more, most of them even more disgusting and sick than this one. if you think he is not mad, do you also think that charles manson is completely sane, simply because he is intelligent, and "knows what he is doing" (your definition of sanity)?

killing the guy is obviously not enough for a media to report...they always have to come up with some extra juicy stuff.

last time before the war started it was for instance reported that iraqi troops had thrown the kuwaiti babys on the floor and letting them die...right after the war was over the story turned out to be nothing but a primitve lie. maybe you shouldn't believe everything the media tells you...this is most likely primitve propaganda.

dubla

is he mad like the guys in james bond movies? certainly not...

okay, the fact that youre comparing this topic to fictional characters in a movie, clues me in that maybe ive been wasting my time even discussing this with you.

killing the guy is obviously not enough for a media to report.

ill tell you what.....killing the guy over that offense is enough for me to know that hes mentally deranged....read: mad. the "extra juicy stuff" that you imply is fiction, really is irrelevant.

aa

Blair: Saddam Will Be Disarmed Whatever It Takes.

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