The State of the Union

by Marvin Shilmer 142 Replies latest jw friends

  • Sara Annie
    Sara Annie

    Just in reading this thread, it's pretty apparent that most people don't much understand how taxes, tax theory, and tax cuts work. As an accountant, the following illustration by the chair of accounting and business law at the University of South Dakota has always made a great deal of sense to me. It's worth the read:

    How Taxes Work . . .

    This is a VERY simple way to understand the tax laws. Read on -- it does make you think!!

    Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

    The first four men -- the poorest -- would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man -- the richest -- would pay $59.

    That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement -- until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut).

    "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.

    The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six -- the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

    The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, Then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

    And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

    But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man who pointed to the tenth. "But he got $7!"

    "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too . . . It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!".

    "That's true!" shouted the seventh man, "why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

    "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

    The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill! Imagine that!

    And that, boys and girls, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.

    I am perfectly willing to listen to the rantings of the average person about how unfair our tax system is in America, provided that they arm themselves with a little bit of actual information instead of just self-righteous blathering assumptions.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Sara,

    Great Illustration. I've seen it before. Thanks for posting it.!

  • Scarlet
    Scarlet

    Finally a fellow woman that understands how taxes work!!!! That is a great illustration Sara.

  • Spartacus
    Spartacus

    Sara, I like you :)

    Thanks, liberals don't have answers just complaints!

  • Perry
    Perry

    Outstanding Sara!

    I strongly suspect our lefty friends are more than intelligent enough to understand this, even without a little story to simplify it. They simply just don't want to give up their pet programs and views toward entitlement. Instead of embracing what is good for America....they just continue chanting.

  • email
    email

    Thanks Sara...

    Let's see if by putting it in SIMPLE illustrations (maybe we can throw in some charts and pictures too) they finally get it...

    Quite honestly the thing I see from most left wing liberals is one thing... and one thing only... ENVY... that's all... and the leaders of the party play on that and use that to move people... Same thing with the darn SUV deal... If I can't have it... then hate those than can. That's the communist democrat mentality.

  • teejay
    teejay

    Sara,

    If the tax code were as simple as your little story of ten men eating a meal, then you'd have a good point. The problem is is that the way taxes are levied isn't quite that simple. If taxes were figured as a percentage of one's gross earnings your analogy might fit a little better. As you know, that isn't how taxes are figured.

    There's a lot about the tax system that I don't know, but one thing I know very well is that the rich are able to hide much of the wealth on which their fair share of taxes should be based but isn't. Since it's (educated and wealthy) lawyers who write the tax code to begin with, it should come as no surprise that they would be interested in helping their own. And they do.

  • larc
    larc

    Zander, I see you have bought into the Liberal's myth about the rich. I suggest that you read a book, The Millionare Next Door", to get the facts. Funny, thing when I was your age I was a liberal and anti-business. That changed over the years when I came to work in a management position and got to understand how business works. On the issue of your envy of the rich, I say, get over it. When I was your age, I was working in a factory at night and going to college in the day time. I invested in my education until the age of 35 when I obtained my PhD. After that I invested in my retirement account. I am now retired and living comfortably. During that whole time I never had the kind of resentment towards the rich that you express. I assume that you are either a liberal arts or education major. I would suggest that you take at least one course in business after working an intership in a company. It might give you a different perspective.

  • Scarlet
    Scarlet

    Teejay- I am a accountant and do taxes. We have several high end clients. These clients don't "hide" what they make they merely take the credits and deductions that they are legally alotted. I don't know your personal situation but if you own a home do you take your mortgage interest deduction? Do you take your education credit if in school? Is that hiding how much you make? Did you know that I several clients that lost 1-3 million in the stock market and are only allowed to deduct 3,000 per year because that is the credit limit. Someone who lost 1 million it would take 333 years to deplete that credit and once you die thats it its over. I know some lost their whole retirement and cannot deduct it. So in reality they are paying their share and more. The system is set up to pay a percentage of your income and there is no hiding what you make there are laws that give you the ability to take a credit or deduction but that is availiable to all not only the rich.

    IMHO the more tax breaks you give to corporations the more money they have for their employees.

  • email
    email

    Good post Scarlet,

    there is no hiding what you make there are laws that give you the ability to take a credit or deduction but that is availiable to all not only the rich.
    Instead of complaining you should be taking advantage of those deductions.

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