by slimboyfat 362 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Gorb: It is not about the details, but the fact that COJ had a mindset of his own, and spoke out against an awfull system. That's what I respect so much.
I feel the same way. Although I am interested in the specifics of his research, I really appreciate the fact that he was willing to think independently and honestly seek truth. I like the fact that he presented his research and conclusions to the org and stood his ground and didn't cower to the JW leadership.
Sanchy
I have read it carefully. Your claim regarding a second fulfillment still holds no water. Sorry.
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I am sorry too that from your careful reading of Daniel 4 you did not discern its dual fulfilment. Now you have a big problem because I assume that you believe that Neb's vacancy off the throne for seven literal years was a historic fact or it simply did not happen but if it did happen how come there is no account of such a seven-year gap in the NB Chronicles?
scholar JW
Good correction DJW!
Fisherman:
I don’t think it is possible for wt to be wrong about a 70 year desolation ending in 537.
🤣 what a farce.
Jeremiah 25:12: “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.
Daniel 5:26–30: “This is the interpretation of the words: MEʹNE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end. 27 “TEʹKEL, you have been weighed in the balances and found lacking. 28 “PEʹRES, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.” 29 Then Bel·shazʹzar gave the command, and they clothed Daniel with purple and placed a gold necklace around his neck; and they heralded concerning him that he was to become the third ruler in the kingdom. 30 That very night Bel·shazʹzar the Chal·deʹan king was killed.
Jeffro
🤣 what a farce.
Jeremiah 25:12: “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.
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Not so for it is a theological and historical reality concerning the end of the 70 years of desolation in 537 BCE.
Jeremiah 25: 12 clearly proves that the judgement against Babylon began only after the 70 years had ended which could only have been with the release of Jews under Cyrus' Decree in 537 BCE as stated by the Chronicler.
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Daniel 5:26-30 simply foretold the Fall of Babylon which was in 539 BCE and proceeded the eventual judgement against Babylon as foretold by Jeremiah in 25:12.
scholar JW
Jeffro keeps reasserting his already debunked argument by “Scholar”. Reasserting his mistaken belief doesn’t validate it.
I thought the Watchtower position was that Nebuchadnezzar did go mad for seven years but that this also pictured a larger fulfilment spanning centuries. Are you saying that Nebuchadnezzar never really went mad at all?
slimboyfat
thought the Watchtower position was that Nebuchadnezzar did go mad for seven years but that this also pictured a larger fulfilment spanning centuries. Are you saying that Nebuchadnezzar never really went mad at all
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Poor old Neb was in the looney bin for seven literal years learning a valuable lesson about God's Kingdom of both literal and figurative application.
scholar JW
So why did you say:
but if it did happen how come there is no account of such a seven-year gap in the NB Chronicles?
Fisherman:
Jeffro keeps reasserting his already debunked argument by “Scholar”.
Citation needed. 🤣
'scholar':
Not so for it is a theological and historical reality concerning the end of the 70 years of desolation in 537 BCE.
It is true that 'the land of the Chaldeans' is still populated to this day and the 'prophecy' of Babylon's desolation—to the extent that it would remain uninhabited—was a failure. But Babylon's 70 years quite definitely ended when it was conquered by Persia in 539BCE. But thanks once again to 'scholar' (and Fisherman) for showing that JWs don't actually care what the Bible says when it contradicts their end-times dogma.
