by slimboyfat 362 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
‘scholar’:
Scholars previously thought that 568 BC was an accepted fit
No, doofus, scholars still know that 568 BCE is the correct year. No one in the scholarly community cares about JW fantasies, and Furuli’s apologetics have no acceptance among scholars.
Jeffro
The poor addled JW apologist doesn’t understand why something he considers scholarly should cite its source for a claim that disagrees with all scholarship. The ‘method’ described is obviously flawed, so it would be nice to know who the ‘researchers’ were if for no other reason than to laugh at them, but at least they would also have an opportunity to explain their dishonesty. And anyone paying attention would already know my source for this topic is Parker and Dubberstein’s tables, from which I even provided an extract.
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Well if is an issue for you then you should write a letter to the publishers seeking their identification but it must be noted that the article footnote explains not their identity but their methodology. But the big problem for you is that PD does not deal with VAT 4956 and there is a big difference between the astro data for the year 586 or 588 BC and the corresponding dates in PD.
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Except there isn’t an intercalary month in Nebuchadnezzar’s 37th year. 🤦♂️ Adar II before Nisan of 568 BCE falls in Nebuchadnezzar’s 36th year.
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But there is an intercalary month in VAT 4956 for Neb's 37th year just as there is an intercalary month shown for 588 BCE in PD so such would affect the calculation of the beginning of the New Year in 588 BC.
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The intercalary month at the end of Nebuchadnezzar’s 17th year only further demonstrates that that year could not have started in May (which is already impossible because Nisan never starts in May).
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Be that as it may but we observe a different phenomenon in the case of Neb's 37th year as described for 588 BC in VAT 4956 proving that the year began in early May.
scholar JW
‘scholar’:
But there is an intercalary month in VAT 4956 for Neb's 37th year
No, doofus, VAT4956 indicates an intercalary month before Nisan of Nebuchadnezzar’s 37th year, which is at the end of his 36th year, completely consistent with PD.
🤦♂️ You’re just embarrassing yourself.
Jeffro
No, doofus, VAT4956 indicates an intercalary month before Nisan of Nebuchadnezzar’s 37th year, which is at the end of his 36th year, completely consistent with PD.
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Incorrect boofhead, VAT 4956 shows no such thing for it describes the intercalary month in the context of all of the other observations for that year and is not formatted in the same manner or tabulated as a table shown in PD. Unlike you, WT scholars have always shown competence in the understanding of calendation and in the WT article, ftn.17 states " an extra month (intercalary) was added after the twelfth (last) month (Addaru) of the preceding year".This fact indicates quite clearly that 586 BC has now been displaced by 588 BCE for Neb's 37th year by means of VAT 4956.
scholar JW
For those playing along at home, line 6 of VAT4956 refers to an increase in river height in the interval of 8 Adar II (1 April) until 28 Nisan (20 May) 568BCE. The intercalary month Adar II (called “month XII2” in the translation of the tablet) began on 25 March in 568 BCE, and is confirmed in Parker and Dubberstein’s table. Despite ‘scholar’s’ bleating, there was no intercalary month before Nisan in 588BCE.
(The forum strips out the subscript formatting of the 2 in “XII2”.)
Jeffro
For those playing along at home, line 6 of VAT4956 refers to an increase in river height in the interval of 8 Adar II (1 April) until 28 Nisan (20 May) 568BCE. The intercalary month Adar II (called “month XII2” in the translation of the tablet) began on 25 March in 568 BCE, and is confirmed in Parker and Dubberstein’s table. Despite ‘scholar’s’ bleating, there was no intercalary month before Nisan in 588BCE.
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Correction. The intercalary month Adar II began not on the 25th March 568 BC but on 2/3 May 588 BC now properly adjusted based on the lunar eclipse 15th July 588 BC This is not shown in PD table as the data of VAT 4956 was unavailable or not cited by PD as shown in the catalogue listing on pages 4-5 in Babylonian Chronology 626 B.C - A.D 75.
scholar JW
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The lunar eclipse was on 5 July 568 BCE. Obviously ‘scholar’ is wrong because Nisan never starts in May, and it wasn’t necessary to add an intercalary month after the vernal equinox.
Jeffro
The lunar eclipse was on 5 July 568 BCE. Obviously ‘scholar’ is wrong because Nisan never starts in May, and it wasn’t necessary to add an intercalary month after the vernal equinox.
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A fresh and new examination of VAT 4956 shows otherwise that in the case of Neb's 37th year, it must have begun in early May 588 BC rather than the usual month of Nisan all because of the insertion of an additional month in that year.
scholar JW
"fresh and new examination".🤣 No, 'scholar', it's a religious sect's desperate attempt to distort the chronology of the neo-Babylonian period, intended primarily for its gullible compliant members. It has no acceptance among actual scholars or anyone else who has even a passing understanding of the subject. It is immediately obvious that you have the wrong year if you find that Nisan "must" begin in May, which it never does. Imagining that Nisan uniquely starts in May just where JWs need it to is especially naive.
Jeffro
"fresh and new examination".🤣 No, 'scholar', it's a religious sect's desperate attempt to distort the chronology of the neo-Babylonian period, intended primarily for its gullible compliant members. It has no acceptance among actual scholars or anyone else who has even a passing understanding of the subject. It is immediately obvious that you have the wrong year if you find that Nisan "must" begin in May, which it never does. Imagining that Nisan uniquely starts in May just where JWs need it to is especially naive.
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Nope, No way Hosea! WT scholars have a long-withstanding interest in biblical scholarship and that is why from the early beginnings of the Bible Students who advanced and promoted the subject of Bible Chronology and such a similar interest has now been enhanced with a more accurate view of this tablet - VAT 4956 with its description of Neb's 37 th year. The data in this tablet with its notable lunar eclipse of 15th July and in the third month Simanu means that the year began in May 588 BC so the evidence is there for the benefit of mainstream scholarship.
scholar JW
