Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

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  • Vintage
    Vintage

    From page 130 of Eric Michael Wilson's book, we read:

    "According to the translation of the VAT 4956 tablet, during Year 37, Month 1 of Nebuchnezzar, King of Babylon, Saturn was in front of the Swallow. The Swallow is the region of the night sky we now call Pisces. The night sky is divided into 12 regions. Saturn passes through all of them on its 29.4 year-long orbit.

    "That means that Saturn takes 2.42 years to move through each of the 12 constellations. Once Saturn moves out of Pisces, it will not return there for another 27 years. According to Babylonian astronomers, Saturn was in Pisces in Nebuchadnrzzar's 37th year which astrologists set at 568 BCE.

    "Running our SkySafari Plus program and setting the time and date to Friday, April 22, 568 BC, 1:00 AM, location: Baghdad, we get an image showing the planet Saturn within the Pisces (Fish) constellation (Figure 16)."

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    But since it is established that the summer solstice necessarily occurs around 29 June (Julian calendar) for the given period, the 9th day of the 3rd month must correspond to around that date. And it does exactly correspond for the established chronology of 568 BCE. Of considerably less importance, the eclipse 6 days later is therefore reaffirmed as falling on 5 Ju

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    The appearance of the summer solstice on the 9th of the 3rd month is irrelevant to the lunar eclipse of the 15th of the third month for it is simply one of the many astronomical observations computed or observed contained in the tablet. But if you believe it is significant then it is a matter for you.

    scholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    t hadn't seemed necessary. Like others, I had only responded to what the Watch Tower Society had actually claimed, and of course they don't mention that the date of the summer solstice in VAT 4956 immediately shows them to be wrong. But, at my own leisure, I will add mention of this additional issue just to even more thoroughly show the Watch Tower Society's position to be completely and utterly wrong.

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    Strange that it is important now so you will be altering your Blog post? WT scholars have not mentioned the summer solstice no doubt because it has no significance to the matter at hand.

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    Do I just? 🤣 I don't really need to do any such thing. But if I find a conveniently accessible source, I might do so if I feel like it. Irrespective, the range of possible solstice dates is quite definite. (And it's 568BCE, doofus. Not 586.)

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    Only for the purposes of honesty and transparency but on scholar's request you have done accordingly.

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    Once again demonstrating your ignorance. But obviously it would affect the position of the moon relative to the various constellations.

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    Well then what is the computed difference or effect for it is odd that others have not noted such an impact.

    scholar JW



  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    'scholar':

    The appearance of the summer solstice on the 9th of the 3rd month is irrelevant to the lunar eclipse of the 15th of the third month for it is simply one of the many astronomical observations computed or observed contained in the tablet.

    Huh?

    Maybe read slowly so you understand.

    The... 15th... is 6 days after the... 9th.

    The... solstice.. on the... 9th... is necessarily... within a day of 29 June.

    6... days... after... 29 June... is... 5 July.

    It is physically impossible for the eclipse in question to occur on 15 July.

    (I hope that last bit wasn't too fast for you.)

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    'scholar':

    Strange that it is important now so you will be altering your Blog post?

    Well, I said I'd do it at my leisure. The JW position is already thoroughly wrong from start to finish. This is just gravy.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Vintage

    "According to the translation of the VAT 4956 tablet, during Year 37, Month 1 of Nebuchnezzar, King of Babylon, Saturn was in front of the Swallow. The Swallow is the region of the night sky we now call Pisces. The night sky is divided into 12 regions. Saturn passes through all of them on its 29.4 year-long orbit.

    "That means that Saturn takes 2.42 years to move through each of the 12 constellations. Once Saturn moves out of Pisces, it will not return there for another 27 years. According to Babylonian astronomers, Saturn was in Pisces in Nebuchadnrzzar's 37th year which astrologists set at 568 BCE.

    "Running our SkySafari Plus program and setting the time and date to Friday, April 22, 568 BC, 1:00 AM, location: Baghdad, we get an image showing the planet Saturn within the Pisces (Fish) constellation (Figure 16)."

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    Furuli in his Assyrian, Babylonian And Egyptian Chronology, Vol.2, 2007 in 'Table C.2 shows the positions of Saturn according to Line 1-2 in VAT 4956 and finds against 568 BC in comparing that with the data for 588 BC but such is problematic for a number of reasons. At best the planetary is ambiguous due to a number of pertinent factors.

    acholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    he... 15th... is 6 days after the... 9th.

    The... solstice.. on the... 9th... is necessarily... within a day of 29 June.

    6... days... after... 29 June... is... 5 July.

    It is physically impossible for the eclipse in question to occur on 15 July.

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    What a fascinating conundrum you have posited for now we have a lunar eclipse dated 15 July 588 BC and the solstice on the 9th of the 3rd month which is believed to be on 29th June 588 BC? The said scholar needs some serious scholarly assistance to resolve this matter methinks something is rotten here but the said scholar will investigate this matter further and find the source of the 'smell'.

    scholar JW

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    In order for the said scholar to resolve your problem it is required that the specific date for that solstice for 588 BC be clearly established as mentioned in VAT 4956 now that it is known that the following lunar eclipse 15 Simanu is the 15 July 588 BC -Julian calendar then the said scholar can contact Rolf Furuli for his comment on the relationship between a solstice and an eclipse in terms of Chronology.

    Scholar hastening to resolve this conundrum!

    scholar JW

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    I have no problem at all. The solstice falls on exactly the expected date of 29 June 568BCE. You really should stop relying on nutters like Furuli. 😂

  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    I have no problem at all. The solstice falls on exactly the expected date of 29 June 568BCE. You really should stop relying on nutters like Furuli.

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    This is not what I asked for. If you cannot or choose not to give the date of the solstice for 588BC then the said scholar will dismiss your conundrum regarding it as inapplicable then there will be no need to seek the advice of an expert such as Rolf Furuli.

    scholar JW

    scholar JW

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