147th Gilead prt. 3 - this could stumble people

by neat blue dog 41 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Gorbatchov

  This is the official answer of jw.org about 100 years of 1919.

  The style of the talk is like the "Tell us when will this occur" part at the 1993 convention, about the "Sun, moon and stars" in the time of the end.

  There was a lot of speculation about the real purpose of that talk in 1993. Change "was in the air", was the feeling. And it was, just before the new generation doctrine in 1995.

  Losch was just reading a talk written by some one else. I think it is written by David Splain or Herman van Salm, the Dutch helper of the GB, because of the long list of European historical persons claiming to know the date of the End.

  Curious!

  G.
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  DATA-DOG

  Maybe it is damage control and the most fearful of reality will stay loyal, but many more could snap out of it.

  If Dubs are defending the Org with this video, you could still ask, “ So, the GB have admitted that they’ve been wrong in the past... It’s 2020, what makes you think they are correct now? What about in 5 years?? 10??”

  DD
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  Listener

  The interesting part is that Loesch did not blame the GB, he blamed the Watchtower.
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  Ding

  Where is this video? Do you have the url?
  
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  JeffT

  I couldn't get through more than about two minutes of that mess. I've got stumps in the yard with more personality. I wonder if they're preparing the flock for an announcement that they are stepping back from predicting the end of the world. They could keep preaching to "keep the world aware that the end is coming" or some such nonsense.
  
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  Finkelstein

  The true apostasy (sin) has come out of the thoughts and minds of the leaders of the Watchtower Corporation (Executive Directors) or known as the GB members.

  What is coming out the mouths of the GB these days is an attempt to white wash over the lies and corruption propagated by the GB in the past.

  The preaching of Jesus's new Kingdom order has always been preached by the WTS in a apostate commercialized way. Biblicaly described as false prophesying
  
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  Listener

  Here's a link to a copied version on Youtube. It's a little easier to watch it there as you have the abilbity to speed it up which you can't do on JW org.

  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz-q3YI5d88
  
  

  At around the 13 minute mark he starts talking about the wrong expectations that Brothers had about 1975 and quotes from a Watchtower. In part Loesch says

  "'statements made then and thereafter that this was only a poss-i-bil-ity, unfortunately, however' says the Watchtower 'along with such cautionary information there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more a probability than a mere possibility, it is to be regretted' ADMITS THE WATCHTOWER 'it is to be regretted that these latter statements APPARENTLY overshadowed these cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated'
  In its issue of July 15 1976 the Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date stated 'If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoints seeing that the word, ah, that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises, In saying 'anyone' the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses hence including ones having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the build up of hopes centered on that date' end of quote. So very humbly the Watchtower admitted that, June 15, 1976

  For the most part Loesch is simply repeating what was written in the Watchtower but he ends it with stating that it is the Watchtower that has been humble in admitting that it was disappointed individuals and individuals who were involved in the publication of the information that had failed and was deceitful.
  
  This is nothing new but the big difference is that we have a Governing Body member who is part of their 'faithful and discreet slave' pointing the finger at those involved in Watchtower publications. He paints a division here between the FDS and those involved in the publication of this false information.
  
  Who was involved in the publication of this information? We can't be sure but it appears that Fred Franz had a big part. But if we take their confession strictly as it is written then it includes all the Bethel workers involved in writing, printing and distributing those publications. Also, anyone donating to the Watchtower Organization could be said to have a hand in being involved. That's a lot of individuals when the blame should be humbly placed on the FDS. He had the opportunity to do this but chose not to.
  
  It's not the Watchtower, which is just a thing or tool, that should be admitting anything but it is the FDS who was responsible for directing others to publish the nonsense.
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  Listener

  Immediately after discussing their 'wrong expectations' Loesch states the following
  
  

  Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith - God's promises

  
  I would think setting failed dates, being deceitful and at the very least, being disappointed with the FDS would be a valid reason for being shaken in the faith, the JW religion.
  
  Having faith in God's promises do not require Christians to accept an organization such as this. In fact, the bible admonishes us not to.

  rather, AS A CONSEQUENCE, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the scriptures regarding this matter of the day of judgement

  
  As a consequence, all JWs should be moved to make a closer examinations of the JW organization and their teachings that they claim are based on the scriptures and which they are required to accept and teach others or face shunning.
  
  

  In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date, what is important is keeping ever in mind that there is such a day and it's getting closer and will require an accounting on the part of all of us. Peter said that Christians should rightly awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.

  
  The organization has focused on dates and it was important therefore the organization has been misleading them as to what their real focus should be.
  
  

  There's a good reason to remain in expectation, Jesus told us to do so. In this regard Jehovah's organization has set an example, although sometimes promoting wrong expectations our publications have consistently exhorted us to wait and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah and to fix our hopes in God's new world.

  
  He humbly claims that they have set an example even though they sometimes have not. Of course the publications have said to wait and keep Armageddon in mind, you fool, because it hasn't happened yet.
  
  He then proceeds to talk about 1914 and the last days.
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  Finkelstein

  Love how this guy trips over the fact that the "Brothers" preached so many false predictions concerning Jesus's return such 1874 and 1914 , 1918, 1925 then he says some even left the truth.

  Maybe they realized these predictions and date settings were not the truth supported by the bible ?
  

  The reality is the WTS created dates and hyped speculation of Christ's return because they were advantageous toward proliferating literature, they still do it today.
  
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  JustMe2

  Gorbatchov: The style of the talk is like the "Tell us when will this occur" part at the 1993 convention, about the "Sun, moon and stars" in the time of the end.

  What was brought out then?