The Left And Islam
The Left And Islam
by Bangalore 73 Replies latest social current
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freemindfade
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Saintbertholdt
One should correct (which includes to punish) bad behavior. Then ridicule and expose bad ideas that led to that behavior. You can't kill a set of amalgamated ideas as found in the tenets of a specific religion with forced coercion (which at it worst leads to bullets and guns). You kill ideas with better ideas, truer ideas, because the search for truth leads to things like science, which in turn leads to tangible results. Something which bad (false) ideas cannot achieve.
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Simon
Yeah, some people are overly critical of minor injustices but then want to ignore significant abuses by labelling it "culture" or "religion".
I think it's wrong. It's the Ben Affleck type of liberal outrage that comes across as convenient and contrived. I prefer the Bill Maher call-it-what-it-is form of liberalism even if people boo. For me, liberalism is standing up for people's rights whatever the situation and whether or not it makes you unpopular or even appear to be illiberal.
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prologos
The "left" in Sweden, Germany facilitate the introduction of islam into Europe. instead of Bach there is going to be belly dancing. Instead of Sibelius-- -
Simon
The "left" in Sweden, Germany facilitate the introduction of islam into Europe. instead of Bach there is going to be belly dancing. Instead of Sibelius--
Don't mistake my tolerance for legitimate criticism of barbarism in the name of Islam for tolerance of blind criticism of cultures.
Simply criticizing different music or dancing for the sake of it is not legitimate IMO. This is why I believe so many are so hesitant to criticize when they should - when done wrong it can give the impression of opportunism to express existing prejudices.
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fulltimestudent
"Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. - Jesus as quoted at Matthew 12:25
One doesn't need to be inspired by heavenly wisdom to understand the common-sense behind the above statement, although it is an idea that has limitations as understood in the reality that modern (western) notions of government depend on recognising the implicit division that may exist between conservative and the so-called progressive positions on many issues.
But as we examine the fundamental division that exists between the Shi-ite and Sunni sects of Islam that complicates modern Islam we note that its is almost impossible to visualise a political and religious settlement between the two groups
They have (generally) a vicious hate for each other and are prepared to kill in much the same way that Catholics and Protestants could kill each other in Christian countries only a few hundred years ago.
Unfortunately, today's hegemon has been prepared to utilise that hatred for short term political gains, that has made the situation even more complicated and led to the spread of terrorism as the jihadi mindset cannot separate all the issues.
Hopefully, the majority may become sick of the slaughter (though it took hundreds of years for Catholic/Protestant Christians to wake up, to themselves) and decide that having a reasonably comfortable life is a better option.
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Village Idiot
fulltimestudent
But as we examine the fundamental division that exists between the Shi-ite and Sunni sects of Islam that complicates modern Islam we note that its is almost impossible to visualise a political and religious settlement between the two groups
It is possible to visualize a possible solution. Keep all warring parties apart from each other by establishing a sovereign state for each of them. The artificial boundaries drawn up by the British empire a century ago is responsible for a lot of what has happened. Three nations in what is "Iraq" for the Kurds, the Sunnis and the Shiites. It'll take more effort than what Obama is willing to up though.
If successful then it could become an example for the rest of the Arab world.
They have (generally) a vicious hate for each other and are prepared to kill in much the same way that Catholics and Protestants could kill each other in Christian countries only a few hundred years ago.
The Catholic Church was a tyranny for most of its 1400 year existence up to that point in time - 300AD - 1700AD. Islam started around the year 1600 a 1400 year period. Perhaps it needs a couple more centuries.
Unfortunately, today's hegemon has been prepared to utilise that hatred for short term political gains, that has made the situation even more complicated and led to the spread of terrorism as the jihadi mindset cannot separate all the issues.
Indeed, the hegemon (the right wing oligarchy) seems to need a lot of scapegoats including Gays, Mexicans and "secularists".
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kaik
Islam started in 7th century. After it used all knowledge of the Ancient world from conquests lets be it Alexandria to Damascus to India, it was unable to come up with significant development of its own like was European Renaissance and Enlightenment. Christianity went through own splits, but Reformation lasted 150 years and was settled in 1648. This was the last major religious conflict in Christianity on European continent. What Islam lacked was secularization but it actually been rewinding backward. Confrontation with much more advanced civilizations of the West, it responded with more religious zeal.
Left had always love affair with Islam. This is not knew, but can be traced to 1948 when Stalin sided with Palestinians against Israel. Left parties became traditionally antisemitic and supportive Islam. This is also more prevalent when Israel is allied to USA. For European Left this is enough to support Islam regardless of consequences.
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prologos
The declared goal of the migrant's religions is eroding the cultures of the countries where they are on the way to become power players, even before they reach a majority. Much of the great things that has been accomplished by the distinct Cultures in Europe will not be preserved as islands if the left is able to overwhelm them with the introduction of people that do not want to integrate, but supplant the existing culture, even laws with their own The "left" of course has no monopoly on causing the potential shutout or stifling of other's accomplishments, I remember in school when the teachers risked prison for mentioning the name " Relativity" in physics class and playing us Jewish composer's works. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and no culture is "superior" in that sense, but the "enlightened" left in Europe is only seeing now, that their policies are not serving the best overall interest for preserving all cultures; not allowing to each his own.
P.S. There might not be a left left if things are left to go on with migration without integration.
