by iconoclastic 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Saintbertholdt:
Good point. You like others are way more knowledgeable than myself on evolution so yes, I enjoy every opportunity to learn from guys like you and Cofty, even if it is on an Icon thread. The books Cofty recommended to me have been incredible learning experiences but I still have a long way to go and enjoying the journey.
Saintbertholdt you are asking:
Why
do you equate the existence of God with whether evolution is true or not?
The question, “Does God exist?“ has three possible answers: (1)
Yes; (2) Maybe; (3) No. Since no one can prove or disprove the existence of
God, all three answers may be right -for respective followers. I believe that I
the spirit in me is eternal (3:11) and returns to God at the death of my
physical apparatus (Eccl 12:7), reside with my God in heaven for some time,
then come to earth and reside for some time (Mathew 11:14) and again return to
God only to repeat it all over again (Ecc 1:9). Proof for this is that I came
through my parents (not from them) who in turn came through their parents—and it
goes backward infinitely.
Just seeing with physical eyes are not enough, we should also use the eye of understanding. Ask another question: “Does the world really exist?“ You may say you can see the world. However, just because we can see the world and experience it with our bodily senses, can we say it `exists' as solid as rock, as liquid as water, as gas as air …..? What is the definition of existence? Are our bodily senses so completely reliable for us to say that the world `exists'? When we are seeing a dream, the dream world does seem real for the duration of the dream. We can see it and our senses experience it as if it is `real'. But when we wake up, we say the dream wasn't real! It seems everything is relative to a certain state of consciousness we are in. So, even the so-called real world exists only in the kind of consciousness we have in our waking state. What if we are awakened to another state of consciousness of different plane/dimension. Ths is not to say that this world is not real, but to show the limitations of our physical senses which some of the people view them as ultimate source of knowledge/experience.
Your second question to me: Why do you insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis with two naked teenagers in a botanical garden and a talking snake?
I do not take the Genesis account of creation which is the fabrication of later writers, according to Jeremiah 7:22; 8:8
The books Cofty recommended to me have been incredible learning experiences
Yeah Cofty takes evolution seriously serious.
He checks every evolution comment for accuracy :)
Universal Darwinism is my pet love. Its popping up everywhere in almost all disciplines.
What if we are awakened to another state of consciousness of different plane/dimension.
Sounds a bit like Plato's cave.
Ths is not to say that this world is not real, but to show the limitations of our physical senses which some of the people view them as ultimate source of knowledge/experience.
Lets assume you are absolutely correct. One is in a dream/simulation until one awakens.
Even if that were the case the dream/simulation still has rules and one still has to play the game according to those rules. Whether literal or a dream, the outcome is still the same. You have to play the game optimally and therefore you have to understand the parameters and limits. No-one explained the rules so the best way to figure them out is to test for rules e.g. experimentation and observation.
I do not take the Genesis account of creation which is the fabrication of later writers, according to Jeremiah 7:22; 8:8
Then why are you such a skeptic when it comes to evolution? It seems that it forms a part of the fundamental rule set. The evolutionary algorithm is being observed in all disciplines. Anywhere where entropy and information enthalpy interact (which is everywhere), you have the potential to observe evolution.
4) Very high tolerance for pain. I can't think of many women who could pass the physical rigors of BUDS training, although some of these Cross-Fit girls are amazing
Try giving birth.
Thus religions nor evolution are the answer.
You know what evolution says about the existence of God?
Absolutely nothing. It is neither for or against it.
God could have set the whole universe in motion and Universal Darwinism is just a fundamental algorithm that is used to drive the entire process.
What is interesting though is what it would say about the fundamental nature of God.
The BK cult must have a system for counting time
Do you know anything about the BK cult?
Iconoclastic writes he does not believe in a literal creationist view but also rejects evolution.
So how did everything get here?
Is it Brain in a bottle connected to a VR simulation philosophy?
Regarding your questions a-i, you could find answers to all of them today with a bit of effort.
You prefer willful ignorance. It is a haven for your superstitions.
