by AlainAlam 45 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Anony Mous, thanks for sharing. I'm sorry to hear about the trauma (may I call it this way?) of losing someone, and the "why" struggle. Thank you for your post. I can see you're a very genuine person. Have you found any answer after leaving JW? Sorry to go off-topic.
And lol @ the nephew :) I hope your wife is doing OK after having lost her grandmother. Please convey my greetings and condolences to her if you find it appropriate.
"Adam" is said to have lived to 927 years, because of the residue of perfection, according to wt writers.
to prove that "jesus" was the second Adam, the story should have given him the opportunity to prove it by hanging on to past a 1000 before they hung him. That would be loving by providing proofs. It would also given him time to fill in his lapses of memory about the creation sequence, we now know he suffered.
He gave up his original , invisible life already, prior to the immaculate conception, a hiatus of several years of lucid consciousness.
@AlainAlam: There are no answers really. The questions are purely constructs of religion, if religion tells a story that doesn't conform to reality, there will always be questions about it, a good answer would uncover more than it hides.
For me the answer is this: they're dead, done, their bodies get consumed and grow into plants and "all memory of them is forgotten".
The more scientific way of putting it: your entropy increases (at least it makes more sense to me in the mathematical/cosmological sense) and you are just a small part of information through space and time. Dying is just the maximal entropy your biology will allow.
The problem is that our brains are not naturally wired to understand cosmological time, we want everything to be consequential and entropy to be maintained, so it makes sense that people would come up with ideas that explain an order to things even after you die.
This philosophy of mine does have consequences of its own: theoretically you could rebuild the information again and structure it so that someone can be 'resurrected' in some form. In that way, the religious would be right, something about us does live on for eternity but not in the structure we are told.
Alain, you ask for thoughts. One of the problems with the question of "the Ransom" is that a logical assessment, ie one which cannot be disproved, is not possible. Any doctrinal proposition which could well satisfy religious minds and hearts is not compatible with evidential, analytical reasoning.
The religious mind is very biddable and prone to selecting his or her favoured viewpoint. Facts don't come into it.
The very nature of all religious belief is that it has at its focus an invisible being for which concrete evidence cannot be found. Because of the lack of evidence, religious belief is an infinitely flexible stream of ideas. An ironic consequence of which is pride in the certainty of "rightness" of conflicting sectarian doctrines. None of which is useful in the foundational understanding of anything, except perhaps this: that there has been a time honored superstition in the human psyche for humans to yield and sacrifice to an unknowable spirit power.
Belief in gods from prehistory forward must have led to a sense of obligation which required appeasement, this involved killing animals. Human death as a propitiatory sacrifice (atoning, reconciling) would have been seen therefore as the most potent of all sacrifices. A fact the Bible used to argue that a creator sky god had killed his son for us.
An idea hard to swallow in the post-christian twenty first century.
Jer. 19:5 child sacrifice "never entered my [god's] mind." so:
if we assume the bible contains some truth, The idea of a father being instrumental in his child's sacrifice, is a fable.
of course if the evolutionary process is of divine origin, -or not- the bearers of less efficient genes are always sacrificed in favour of the momentarily more successful.
Thank you Half banana! And everyone.
