Where did they understood the anointed ones would be before the "great crowd" "revelation"?

paradisebeauty

This is a question on old doctrine of jw's.

Before they came up with the "great crowd" "revelation", where did they preached that the anointed ones will be? Because if they preached it will be in heaven, how did they understood that the prophecies about the earth will be fulfilled?

And, if all their hope was in heaven (because they only had the anointed class back then), how did their hope differ from the catholic one?

disposable hero of hypocrisy

Good question.

Instead of researching and trying to find out, I eagerly await someone else's superior knowledge!

Saintbertholdt

So in short, there were two heavenly classes which only began after Pentecost.

Everyone before that event would get an earthly resurrection.

The Jews would also be restored to Palestine.

So later Rutherford just amalgamated the second heavenly class with the pre-Pentecost earthly class and dropped the consolation for the Jews.

Crazyguy

Rutherford taught multiple classes but I'm not sure about Russell, the book shown above is from Rutherford, is it not Saint?

prologos

the big mistake was to call the other earthly class the Other Sheep, while Jesus ws actually predicting the coming of Cornelius the Gentile anointed (at baptism), the grafted uncircumcised olive. we loved to mix metaphors.

Saintbertholdt

Rutherford taught multiple classes but I'm not sure about Russell, the book shown above is from Rutherford, is it not Saint?

Yeah its from Millions now living will never die.
I know Russell believed and preached consolation for the Jews. And he also believed in two heavenly classes.

What he believed about the pre-pentecostal earthly resurrection I'm unsure of. He certainly didn't predict 1925, as that was all Rutherford :)

paradisebeauty

But it does not make sense. They preached a heavenly hope for all chriatians. So, the same thing as the catholic church

And the faithful oness on old time to live on earth as princess. Proncess lover who?

And 144000 people to rule over a few faithful on earth?

Saintbertholdt

And the faithful oness on old time to live on earth as princess. Proncess lover who?

Post Armageddon Jews, pre-Pentecostal Israelites and proselytes.

Saintbertholdt

Aw crap I don't know any more... This is from Divine Plan of the Ages:

Both the n and m classes are on the spirit-begotten plane, M. These two classes have existed together throughout the Gospel age; both covenanted with God to become living sacrifices; both were "accepted in the beloved" and begotten by the Spirit as "new creatures." The difference between them is this: n represents those who are fulfilling their covenant and are dead with Christ to earthly will, aims and ambitions, whilem represents the larger company of the spirit-begotten children who have covenanted, but who, alas! shrink back from the performance of their covenant. The n class consists of the overcomers who will be the Bride of Christ, who will sit with the Lord in his throne in glory--plane K. This is the "little flock" to whom it is the Father's good pleasure to give the Kingdom. (Luke 12:32) Those of the m class shrink from the death of the human will, but God still loves them, and therefore will bring them by the way of adversity and trouble to plane L, the perfect spiritual plane. But they will have lost the right to plane K, the throne of glory, because they were not overcomers. If we prize our Father's love, if we desire our Lord's approval, if we aspire to be members of his body, his Bride, and to sit in his throne, we must fulfil our covenant of sacrifice faithfully and willingly.The majority of the nominal Church is represented by section p. Notice that they are not on plane M, but on plane N. They are justified but not sanctified. They are not fully consecrated to God, and not begotten, therefore, as spirit beings. They are higher than the world, however, because they accept of Jesus as their ransom from sin; but they have not accepted the high-calling of this age to become part of the spiritual family of God. If they continue in faith and fully submit to the righteous laws of Christ's Kingdom, in the Times of Restitution, they will finally attain the likeness of the perfect earthly man, Adam. They will completely recoverall that was lost through him. They will attain the same human perfection, mental, moral and physical, andwill again be in the image of God, as Adam was; for to all this they were redeemed. And their position of justification, plane N, as those who have heard and believed in the salvation through Christ, is a special blessing which they by faith enjoy sooner than the general world (for all shall be brought to an accurate knowledge of the Truth, in the Millennial age). These, however, will have had the advantage of an earlier start and some progress in the right direction. But class p fails to improve the real benefit of this faith justificationin the present time. It is granted now for the special purpose of enabling some to make the acceptable sacrifice, and to become the n class as members of "the body of Christ." Those of class p receive the favor of God [justification] "in vain" (2 Cor. 6:1): they fail to use it to go on and present themselves acceptable sacrifices, during this time in which sacrifices are acceptable to God. Those of this class, though not "saints," not members of the consecrated "body," are called "brethren" by the Apostle. (Rom. 12:1) In the same sense the entire race, when restored, will forever be brethren of the Christ, and the children of God, though of adifferent nature. God is the Father of all in harmony with him, on every plane and of every nature.

Where did they understood the anointed ones would be before the "great crowd" "revelation"?

Share this