by dubstepped 340 Replies latest jw friends
The best that can be said for panpsychism is that it is impossible to prove that it is bollocks. The same can be said for the hypothesis that invisible trolls live inside washing machines and survive by eating fluff and occasionally feasting on left socks.
In other words it is 'not even wrong'.
Harris is far more polite than I am.
Question from Coded Logic:
I'm not sure I quite follow. How does creationism explain consciousness?
Presently, the same way "Evolutionists" do: It is a mystery which we have yet to comprehend.
There are so many things we do not yet know about Life.
Evolutionists strive to explain the "how" without in many instances searching for the "why?"
By the way, Evolutionists are are really just Creationists who haven't yet "hit the wall." As they proceed in their quest for answers they will, should they persist, hit that wall where it is finally acknowledged that Creation can be the only possible explanation.
Some hit it more rapidly that others, but we all will find it when we look very deeply at all of the evidence. The Wall changes minds.
(in regards to thought) Creation offers a plausible solution to the mystery in that it encompasses each and every characteristic in the design of life.
-Old Navy
When asked how creation explains thought:
It is a mystery which we have yet to comprehend.
-Old Navy
Face palm
As they proceed in their quest for answers they will, should they persist, hit that wall where it is finally acknowledged that Creation can be the only possible explanation.
How do you know creation is a possible explanation?
Quote from Coded Logic:
When asked how creation explains thought:
It is a mystery which we have yet to comprehend.
-Old NavyFace palm
There are certain aspects of Creation (or Evolution if you prefer) which will remain incomprehensible to us until revealed at the proper time. The questions we have regarding Thought, Consciousness and Sentience cannot be answered by anyone yet. The mystery is very complex,
That is why "The Wall" is able to change minds.
Only our Creators know.
Question from Coded Logic:
How do you know creation is a possible explanation?
When it is the only possibility that remains. That is what The Wall will tell you.
You'll know it when you get there.
Old Navy - This is just another example of equivocation.
Evolution simply explains how the millions of species alive today, and the tens of millions that have gone extinct, all descended from a common ancestor through natural processes, including but not limited to, natural selection.
Evolution does not attempt to explain ultimate causes, cosmic origins or the dawn of life.
On the other hand there are many things that are part of biological evolution that are yet to be discovered. In almost every case a great deal has already been uncovered if you care to do the research.
Your answer to every mystery is 'god-did-it'. That is the antithesis of scientific enquiry. It's lazy and pathetically boring and dull. It is a non-answer, an intellectual dead-end.
You have stated the same thing dozens of times on the forum in the past few weeks. Please try to engage with the facts.
Here are forty separate pieces of evidence for evolution. You are welcome to refute any of them but please stop repeating the same hackneyed canards about the motives of those who accept the evidence.
When it is the only possibility that remains.
How do you know it's a possibility? We can't solve one mystery with another mystery Old Navy. And we can't explain one unknown by postulating the existence of another unknown.
This would be like saying, "Well I couldn't find my key's this morning therefore bigfoot took them - it's the only remaining possibility."
Absent some evidence that bigfoot exists and is the sort of creature that takes keys - then it is not valid to say it's a possibility. In order to say something's 'possible' we need either precedent or something of parallel comparison.
The same is true with universe creating gods. Until such a time as it is demonstrated that gods do in fact exist and they create universes - then it's not valid to assert that it's "possible".
I'll also point out your attempt to equate creation to evolution is quite silly. While there is no evidence for gods there is massive amounts of evidence for evolution - which is demonstrable with measurable accuracy.
"When it is the only possibility that remains."
How would one determine that it is the ONLY possibility? Haven't you ever heard of unknown unknowns? The set of known unknowns is not the ultimate boundary of possibility. You might falsely think it's the only possibility simply because you don't know what it is you don't know. That's why it is wise to base a claim on positive evidence rather than a lack of imagination. There are things that are completely outside our ability to imagine simply because we have never experienced anything remotely like it in our lives. For example, to a 1 year old child there are tiny people living inside the television. There are too many unknown unknowns for that infant to think of any other possibility. The mistake underpinning the creationists argument from ignorance and argument from incredulity reasoning is subconsciously thinking that the truth about reality has to be delineated by their own limited imaginations.
I'm not sure I quite follow. How does creationism explain consciousness?
Creationists believe that man was designed in the image of a God who is conscious, self aware, thinks, plans and carries out plans.
