So is the government attacking only the WTS or all religions except the Russian Orthodox Church that has worked with the government to get rid of competition, communism and post communism.
JW to be banned in Russia soon?
by I am a Bible Student 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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DJS
Blondie,
As I mentioned, this is a systematic strategy Vlad is employing. In 2012 the NGO (non-government org) law was passed that was aimed at foreign funded/sources NGOs involved in political actions. That law was capable of being viewed broadly by the courts and could have included the Dark Tower, Islam, etc.
In 2015 Russia passed an update to the 2012 NGO law that very broadly could be applied to any organization deemed to be undesirable. As written and applied, the new law can apply to anyone the courts - or Vlad - finds undesirable, and the parameters by which they are deemed undesirable are also very broad and interpretive. As intended.
I don't know for certain, but I doubt the Dark Tower rates even a passing thought to Vlad.
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blondie
I was saying that there has been a strong supportive relationship between the communists and the Russian Orthodox Church since 1989, hand in hand they want to eliminate competition. Whatever "legal" means they use, the goal and desire is the same. I am not disagreeing, just showing it is a continuing goal. -
Village Idiot
I for one do not believe in the banning of any religion no matter how bad it is. It's the slippery slope situation where anyone who is not in favor with the State gets banned. -
ZAPPA-ESQUE
http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2161
By Victoria Arnold, Forum 18 News Service
Three Jehovah's Witness communities are trying to challenge lower court orders that they be liquidated as "extremist" and are awaiting Supreme Court decisions. The cases brought to six the number of their communities banned as "extremist". Court moves to liquidate a seventh were launched in May 2015. Since spring 2015 at least seven further Jehovah's Witness communities have received written "extremism" warnings from prosecutors, a frequent prelude to liquidation suits, Forum 18 News Service has found. A Jehovah's Witness community in Arkhangelsk applied to liquidate itself in October 2015, just weeks before Regional Governor Igor Orlov told the local Russian Orthodox Diocese website of "ongoing work to ensure the de-legalisation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Arkhangelsk Region". All these moves mark an intensification of law enforcement efforts to curtail Jehovah's Witness activity, Forum 18 notes. One Muslim community is known to have been similarly liquidated, with a second being issued a warning.
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freddo
Ironic really.
The WT bleating about Russia closing down a bethel when they themselves have closed down or reduced to skeleton staff dozens of bethels so they can fund the GB and its cronies lakeside retirement complex.
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AndersonsInfo
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/13713.2.0.0/religion/the-kremlin-cracks-down-on-religious-liberty
The Kremlin Cracks Down on Religious Liberty
April 7, 2016 • From theTrumpet.comThe Russian Orthodox Church has replaced the Communist Party as the ideological glue holding Vladimir Putin’s empire together.During the Soviet era, thousands of churches were destroyed and millions of Christians were persecuted. Communist textbooks called religion “the opium of the people” and Christianity “a perverse reflection on the world.” In the 24 years since the fall of the Soviet Union, however, Orthodox Christianity has made an astonishing recovery. While only a third of Russians identified as Orthodox in 1991, over two thirds now identify as Russian Orthodox Christians.
Yet the rise of the Orthodox Church hasn’t brought religious liberty to Russia. It has simply replaced the Communist Party as the ideological state apparatus used to forcibly unite Russians!
In a court case under way in southern Russia, Viktor Krasnov is facing up to a year in prison for writing “There is no God” on VKontakte (a Russian social media network similar to Facebook). The authorities became aware of this comment when an online user contacted them, claiming that Krasnov was offending Orthodox believers. Police raided Krasnov’s apartment and forced him to undergo a monthlong examination at a psychiatric ward. Once he was deemed fit for trial, he was charged under a Russian law that makes it illegal to insult the feelings of religious believers.
It isn’t just atheists who are no longer granted religious freedom in Russia. Alexey Koptev was arrested in 2011 after undercover police officers established that he belonged to the Jehovah’s Witnesses Christian denomination. In 2009, the city of Taganrog banned the Jehovah’s Witnesses denomination for propagating the exclusivity and supremacy of its religion. This denomination now shares the same legal status as the Islamic State and the National Socialist Society.
In 2002, Russia enacted an extremism law with a provision defining religious extremism as “incitement of religious discord” in connection with acts or threats of violence. Five years later, the law was amended to allow prosecution for inciting religious discord even in the absence of any threat or act of violence. Mormons, Scientologists and even Pentecostals are now coming under increasing government pressure.
In return for public support from Russian Orthodox clergy, President Vladimir Putin attends church services and portrays himself as a defender of “Christian values.” Like the Byzantine emperors and Russian czars before him, he is using a de facto state religion to unify his empire!
“The Orthodox revival gave Russians an identity after the years of uncertainty that followed the fall of the Soviet Union,” private intelligence company Stratfor wrote last month. “The Kremlin has used this to its advantage, so effectively portraying support for Putin’s government as a religious duty that the church is now seen as part of the state apparatus.”
Post-Soviet efforts to remake Moscow into a representative government are failing. Russia has embraced an authoritarian leader driven to vaunt his nation back to the great power status he feels it deserves. This development has dangerous implications for the world. Russia is swiftly becoming a nuclear-armed czarist empire!
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DJS
Krasnovs case concerns me. Thanks Barbara. As for the Dark Tower I wonder how much the Dubs are a US entity factors into this. -
WTWizard
While I am in favor of freedom of religion, even bad religions, I am not in favor of religions that go door to door scamming everyone and trying to drag people back in when they realize it's not for them. You do have the right to be an idiot, but you do not have the right to coerce others into idiocy. If this requires a ban on a religion that is scamming people into it and then supporting injustice within, then so be it. I view such a ban as no worse than taking antibiotics when you have a severe infection that could easily be deadly without treatment or with only natural treatment.
And yes, they need to fully audit every xian and islam religion on the planet. Judaism is not safe--they also need full audits. Any that support inherent debt, use fear and blackmail to retain members, and go into parts of Africa or Asia to destroy cultures to support themselves into members' damnation have to go. Original sin has to go. As do religions that make women less than men (face veils and bans on teaching fit this), set up laws within the government to suppress people, or that suppress science. Any religion that is found to be suppressing science has to go.
As for the alternative, no I am not in favor of communism, which is nothing more than Christi-SCAM-ity or Islam without Jesus or Allah. People should make their own decisions, without being hounded for it. This would mean that, should someone genuinely wish to worship Satan, they should be allowed to openly do this without someone hounding them for it (that is, so long as they do not view human sacrifice and animal cruelty, neither of which have any place in true Satanism, as part of their worship).
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TheFadingAlbatros
"Extremist" is a qualification that the JW.ORG is deserving. One of my daughters who is serving now in an East European country with her husband as "special pionneers" is forced to shun me together with her husband and her husband's family according to the GB standards, if they want to keep their privileges of services, since I have decided to dissociate myself for reasons of conscience from this so called religious organisation. Luckily my other daughter and my son are both remaining hundred miles away from this organisation. "Extremist" is a far too much attenuated expression qualifying this cult made in USA-
