Does Anyone Still Believe in God? (page 17)

stuffwotifink

Occam's Razor

Lol. To me it seems like "God dun it" it a simpler theory than the ones biochemistry offer me. and

The --chemistry is the easy part.

cappytan

To me it seems like "God dun it" it a simpler theory than the ones biochemistry offer me.

If one thinks that a creator God is "simple," they've got another thing coming.

cappytan20 minutes ago

-- simpler theory ---

If one thinks that a creator God is "simple," they've got another thing coming.

The deist worker creator proposition is simpler in the sense that we see work done to produce someTHING all the time, to carry that proven sequence of 'cause and effect' back into time beyond the beginning , that is the simplicity. of course you are right: we've got another thing or two coming. glad for that, and consider stuffwotifink's posts above.

freemindfade

Prologos and this creator of yours does or doesn't have his own creator?

How far up the chain does it end?

And if it ends with him, how do you come to this conclusion?

prologos

freemindfade, good question: My view is that the 'cause and effect' scenario is limited to movement through time, which started, according to better minds, at the beginning of our world, the big bang if you will.

Before that, there was no movement through time. Time just was, stretching eternally into the past and into the future. so, the chain of our creator having to have creators is moot if you accept that it is possible that one way movement through time is, and was not inevitable. imo.

freemindfade

There was no time and space? What the hell did he/she/it occupy? And I am a fan of string theory, I think its hard to say that there is/was nothing before the "big bang". Just because we humans THEEE MOST IMPORTANT CREATURES IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER GOD AND ANGELS happen to occupy this material universe, why does our universe have to be the end all? We think so small and arrogant, and that is how we came up with the stupid idea that is god in the first place.

If the question is are their creatures on a higher level than us humans out there, I believe that is entirely possible and likely, do they have something to do with starting this universe, creating humans, giving us a purpose, or even knowing we exist, well that is a different story. There could be multiple levels of things superior to us, in both make up and consciousness, just like in the physical world of our own planet, why do you have to stop it somewhere and give it undue credit?

Thats like my dog looking at me and thinking (which he probably does) I created the universe for him... I am the highest being, infinitely intelligent , able to walk up right and drive a motor vehicle... I am the supreme being!! When i am just another species in the world, I have caused nothing.

cofty

If there is a deist god it is about as interesting and relevant as the fact that I have a pot of orange marmalade in the cupboard.

Actually my orange marmalade is far more useful.

freemindfade

Actually my orange marmalade is far more useful.

agree

stuffwotifink

If one thinks that a creator God is "simple," they've got another thing coming.

As prologos said, simpler isn't simple. And it was a joke, something I took the pains to point out.

It's like the theists didn't even read that Carl Sagan article OTWO posted above.

Between the time OTWO posted the Sagan quote and you posted the above statement. No theists, zero theists, posted. Atheist, Agnostic and Deist, no Theists...

If there is a deist god it is about as interesting and relevant as the fact that I have a pot of orange marmalade in the cupboard.
Actually my orange marmalade is far more useful.

As expected - you simply dismiss what you claimed you could disprove. A shame.

"As soon as the person posing the question carefully defines what they mean by "god" we can prove beyond all reasonable doubt that it does not exist."

You should be less bold with your empty claims.

Qualitatively and philosophically is there any difference between my psychosis and theism?

Yup. Here's an atheist telling you why. He's not an exciting speaker, but he is spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL4cb-P6Bek

prologos

freemindfade

cofty,

You two have a very ego-centric vision of the cosmos. Of course, not just a possible worker creator, but anything outside the solar system can be savely ignored, as long we have air and marmalade. yes, there was a time when there was no space. our kind of space.

Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

cappytan20 minutes ago

freemindfade, good question: My view is that the 'cause and effect' scenario is limited to movement through time, which started, according to better minds, at the beginning of our world, the big bang if you will.

Before that, there was no movement through time. Time just was, stretching eternally into the past and into the future. so, the chain of our creator having to have creators is moot if you accept that it is possible that one way movement through time is, and was not inevitable. imo.

freemindfade

cofty,

You two have a very ego-centric vision of the cosmos. Of course, not just a possible worker creator, but anything outside the solar system can be savely ignored, as long we have air and marmalade. yes, there was a time when there was no space. our kind of space.

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