The corrosive nature of CRT

by LoveUniHateExams 25 Replies latest social current

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  stan livedeath

  If --like me--you havent a clue what CRT stands for, but were a bit shy to ask--its not the same as HRT. I googled it--it stands for Canals and River Trust.

  You have not been charged for this helpful advice.
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  Journeyman

  CRT makes me think of this:

  
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  cofty

  If you have only heard about Gramsci from those who use him as a kind of villain it’s no basis - SBF

  Gramsci was a leading intellectual force behind 20th century Marxism.

  Marxism murdered at least 10 million citizens who were unlucky enough to be born in the wrong place and time. As a philosophy it has proven to be every bit as evil as National Socialism. To defend Marxism or to wish for a revival of Marxism in some new version for the 21st century is the moral equivalent of longing for the philosophy that underpinned Fascism.
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  Diogenesister

  Phizzy The point she was making is that if your a traveller/gypsy or Irish your skin colour means racism is not automatic. It’s about interaction.

  Whereas if you are black it’s there every second of every day from people not even within speaking distance

  
  

  Whilst I understand the point she's making, there's a degree of naivete.

  I think this is an example of black politicians thinking they know everything - and can say everything - about race. She's from the city because where I'm from I would say most people can spot a traveller at 50 yards off.

  
  

  Another point. My grandmother wouldn't have dreamed of saying something derogatory about someone black because of their skin colour.

  But as to gypsies/ travellers? She would sing the song "My grandmother said I never should, play with the gypsies in the wood". They called them gyp-o's. There's an incredible amount of racism around travellers and most people in Europe can tell immediately if someone is one (unless they are Roma since they are mostly settled).
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  Anony Mous

  often you can’t tell whether someone is Jewish just by looking at them

  That is relatively incorrect and is a matter of perspective. Religious Jews are recognizable by the way they dress, most people when they think of Jewish, think of yarmulkes or the brimmed hat or the payot (curled or hairs on the cheek).

  There are Jews that are secular that don't keep to those, but even then, in many cases when it comes to attacks on Jewish people (primarily by people of African origin) it's on the religious Jews.

  However even if you are a "secular" person of Jewish origin, people from the Middle East that grow up around Israel, know how to recognize visual traits of people with Jewish origin, it's a lot less precise given humans tend to mix, but people in Europe can often recognize people from nearby countries by certain physical visual traits as well. Eg. you can recognize Dutch because they are tall with an "elongated" head, Germans have straight nose, square jaws and look "rounder".

  People in the West have trouble distinguishing Chinese from Korean, people in Asia however can recognize different parts of either country which is the most famous example of how people can pick up traits without ever being taught what any of it means by their parents.
  

  Same goes for black people, once you are around them long enough, you can find people from Creole (eg. Jamaican) backgrounds, actual Africans and American blacks are VERY different, and I'm sure if someone lives in Africa, they can recognize tribal features as well. Even amongst American blacks, you can often recognize black people historically living in the Northerner parts of America (lighter, more features of Native Americans) vs Southern black families.
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  Anony Mous

  @cofty: The philosophy that underpinned Fascism (National Socialism and actual Italian Fascism) is Marxism.

  Both Hitler and Mussolini quoted Marx and used the ideology as an underpinning for their own and then modified it slightly. Mussolini considered himself a Marxist, and he described Marx as "the greatest of all theorists of socialism." Hitler himself declared that national socialism was based on Marx and argued that the other socialists of the day were basically corrupted socialists, which is the same argument that the Bolscheviks said about the Menscheviks, but they're all still socialists and fought together against the establishments of the day, only disagreeing with each other once it became time to rule (which is typical for all socialists, to date).

  Similar argument that JW's make when saying that other religions are "Christendom" and not true Christians or Martin Luther saying that the Pope corrupted Christianity.