The UN and armageddon

by mattnoel 31 Replies latest jw friends

  • gumby
    gumby

    the UN is going to crumble and then armageddon is going to come.

    Yes that's right.

    Jesus entire coming is dependant on how things go with the united nations. There have been times when Jesus almost came.....but then world events changed and he waited for the right time again.

    Soon things will get shitty again with the U.S. and Jesus will decide it's time to come again. If the situation doesn't stay shitty for very long.....Jesus will back off and wait until the time is right again. He knows the day and hour but sometimes he gets confused.

    Gumby

  • happysistah
    happysistah

    Don't Worry! Armageddon is not comig--We are just going to have another War. I don't think there is anything Biblical about it. History is just unfolding before us, and sometimes we tend to read more into it than it really is.

    And,anyway I thought the Armageddon thing was suppose to come like a theif in the night?

  • Erich
    Erich

    Thief in the night?

    When do you realize the thief was here? Same time when he is going to steal your asset? Certainly you will see the damage happened after you awake in the morning, next day.

    Same thing will happen with the "Great Tribulation" and "Armageddon". You will realize the accident when happened. Not earlier. No human intelligence in the world will be able to say: This is a "normal war situation" or: No, this is a singular, exceptional situation, with no referent example in the human history...

    If you have a crash with your car, your brain do not realize the impact before you climb out from your wrecked car (if you have survived the crash).

    So, dont be surprised when you - one day - read your watchtower magazine, proclaiming: Armageddon just has happened;-)

    E.

  • SpannerintheWorks
    SpannerintheWorks

    Mattnoel,

    I seem to remember them saying something about the UN failing and armageddon coming !

    Even if they were right (which they aren't), the bible would have to state the above comment (which it doesn't).

    You put it well when you said,

    I dont believe their crap

    Spanner

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    Matt, looks like what I would have written on this thread has been done.

    So there you go dude, all is well.

    If it isn't one thing, it's another with J-Dubs. There'll be some interpretation made, altered, changed or silently quashed.

    The J-Dubs are notorious for this Matt, so rest assured, once another thing comes and goes without incident, they'll manufacture something else to keep the masses saciated.

    Have a good weekend Matt, good to see you back.

  • mattnoel
    mattnoel

    Thanks everyone you have all made me feel a lot better. I dont know why I was worrying but me I am a worryer so it goes without saying. You are all cool and thanks for the comments.

    So I think we can safely say then that it is another case of the J-Duds B/S,

    Cheers again

  • ThomScotland
    ThomScotland

    Well.suppose I am worried as well. Everyone else seems to dismiss your concerns. WIth regard to mistakes the org. made in the past, I dont know. I suppose it seems reasonable to some that because they were wrong about that, the JW's are wrong about eveything. Well I have a different view. Was d/f 6 years ago, but still vividly remember the Revelation Book. What ever the org. says, the Bible gives an account of the end. Seems to me pretty accurate and feel its soon. No doubt there will be a barrage of questionable replies. But with regards your Aunt, tell her someone understands.

    Thom

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    Well, I hope it's not the big end.

    I wonder how God is going to kill us all. Will it be fire & sulfur, a la Sodhom & Gomorrah? Perhaps a deluge, like in Noah's day? Maybe the earth will open up & swallow us all down? A combination of these things? Will God perhaps be merciful, and all of the sudden we'll all just *poof* die without feeling any pain or knowing what's coming? That wouldn't be so bad. Heck, that almost sounds good!

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    She might be interested in reading about Chicken Little

  • bebu
    bebu

    Hi Mattnoel,

    I feel odd jumping in here, since I usually don't post. But you're not the only one that gets jitters. Your question is coming up in a lot of minds. Like these other posters, I really don't think this current situation relates directly to Armageddon, but anxiety is still high these days--and I UNDERSTAND the panic that grabs you when you never expected it. I recently read something from CS Lewis, a wonderful English professor/author/apologist (who wrote classics like "Mere Christianity" and "The Screwtape Letters"), which helped me immensely.

    Back in the 1948, people asked CS Lewis how he thought they were to live in view of the nuclear age they'd just entered--and I think it would be comparable to our staring at the terrorist age we've entered--and he replied:

    "Why, as you would have livedin the sixteenth century when the plague visited London almost every year, or as you would have lived in a Viking age when raiders from Sandinavia might land and cut your throat any night; or indeed, as you are already living in an age of cancer, an age of syphilis, an age of paralysis, an age of air raids, an age of railway accidents, an age of motor accidents. In other words, do not let us begin by exaggerating the novelty of our situation. ...It is perfectly ridiculous to go about whimpering and drawing long faces because the scientists have added one more chance of a painful and premature death to a world which already bristled with such chances and in which death itself was not a chance at all, but a certainty...." Several years later he wrote, "One meets young people who make the threat of (nuclear war) a reason for poisoning every pleasure and evading every duty in the present...If we are all going to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, let that bomb when it comes find us doing sensible and human things--praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts--not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs. They may break our bodies (any microbe can do that) but they need not dominate our minds."

    To decide to act in LOVE today, deliberately, is an act of faith and an act to diminish fear. And you can do this. This is what Christ meant when he asked who would be found faithful.

    My best suggestion to you is to pray earnestly for peace, kinda like Jacob wrestling with the angel. If you want peace bad enough, you will keep asking for it, and God WILL give it to you. I used to wonder, hey does God just like us to grovel?? But I see it very differently now. I think God WANTS to give us things like peace and joy and patience, but nobody really asks Him seriously for it. They pray a little bit, like rote, but they still don't yearn for it inside. If you REALLY want something that's good--like peace--God promises to give it. But pour yourself into your request!

    bebu

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