And part 2:
Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!
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TonusOH
Having them wiped out in the flood meant no messy child support payments. Bunch of deadbeat angels...
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Fisherman
so why didn't they build an ark
Interesting.
The point is that God would have killed them no matter what they tried. Even if they built an ark, they would have starved. They were doomed one way or another. Also, God may have communicated with Noah privately. As the saying goes: best way to hide an elephant is in plain sight. They may not even have believed Noah either.
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Abraham1
Here is another one:
In the famous Parable of the Tenants (Mathew 21:33-41) which is about the murder of Jesus which was later used as the basis for teaching Ransom Sacrifice of Jesus, Landowner is God, and son who was killed by the tenants is Jesus. The reason why Father sends his son is because earlier emissaries were not welcomed by the tenants because they were mere servants—hence father reasoned “They will respect my son.” (Mathew 21:37) Father (God) never thought Jesus would be killed while sending him from heaven . How could this happen to God? This would also imply that all those supposed prophecies Jesus fulfilled from Old Testament is mere misapplication.
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Fisherman
Father (God) never thought Jesus would be killed
That is not the point of the parable. It doesn’t need to be parallel in all aspects. Point is that God sent Jesus first to the Jews. They should have accepted him.
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waton
That is not the point of the parable. It doesn’t need to be parallel in all aspects
fm: surely the creator of the immense universe can come up with a parable that fits in all facets of application, invites deeper insights in hidden details?
Image the deity adhering to a later "eye for an eye" law to extract his wayward children from the predicament caused by the talking snake, --by sending his firstborn to be killed, but in the parable naively says "surely he will be safe !, ? " utter nonsense, incompetence by bible writers, plot planners.not even "inspired" in the sense of a Bach concert.
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Fisherman
a parable that fits in all facets of application,
As you see it.
Also, according to JW doctrine, God is not all knowing and the Jews were not destined to kill Jesus:
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets, how often I wanted.. but you people did not want it..” So Jesus attempt would have been pointless had the Jews been predestined to kill Jesus. According to JW, they weren’t and could have repented like in Jonah and would have exclusively made up the 144,000.
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Abraham1
Fisherman,
As waton got it rightly, in a PARABLE, aspects should fit—especially the very core of the Parable: 'All the emissaries were rejected, but surely my son will be accepted/appreciated/valued.' It is this core concept that is gone unfulfilled.
Again your, second point: “Point is that God sent Jesus first to the Jews.”
According to God and Jesus, there is no difference between Jews and Gentile, and making very such distinction itself is sin (Deuteronomy 10:17; Mathew 5:43-48) and thinking such distinction exists makes one worthy of losing God’s Kingdom. (Mathew 8:11-12)
Truth of the matter is that ‘Death of Jesus as a ransom sacrifice for the sins of the world’ is the invention of Paul the Apostate, hence rejection of everything what Jesus stood for. (Mark 4:24-25; Mathew 5:17-19) And such apostasy had already been foretold by Jesus. (Mathew 13:24-30) The only supposed reference Jesus made in Mathew 20:28 is deleted by Luke in his Gospel which was written after diligent comparison with existing manuscripts. (Luke 1:1-3; 22:24-27)
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waton
Also, according to JW doctrine, God is not all knowing,
fm, but he must have at least known, that sending his son - (the second in command, that knew what all happened prior to his coming) - to be killed, would result in his killing? In sending him to fulfill the law, having been send to his Law covenant people, that did all the sacrificing, they would be involved in the sacrifice? but
I get the point, it pictures the most powerful person, in a touchingly naive and trusting way.
fitting to the dictum: "unless you become like little children, you will not inherit god's kingdom."
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Fisherman
he must have at least known
JW doctrine explains that. Just repeating myself here. God did not know Satan would sin, or Adam or the choices that Israel would make.
“You have the choice, life or death….”