In Ray Franz Crisis of Conscience pages 288, 289, he talks about the 144,000. There are other reference as well. Check the CoC index under O. It maybe better once you state your position to switch tacks to Jesus role with mankind. The Governing Body teach that the Bible and the Ransom benefit the 'anointed' and the other sheep only by association with the 'anointed'. So is it right to pray to God through Jesus? And, I am not an apostate, the Witnesses are. Maverick
CALLING ALL APOSTATES!!!!!!! I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!
by pr_capone 22 Replies latest jw friends
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hurt
There is,of course, some point in reasoning with current JWs. The problemis doingit effectively, without all the hot air. A thoughtful comment, without being pushy, particularly if very brief, and delivered without criticism, could get the thinking-type JW really thinking. I'e seen this happen to an elder I casually mentioned the UN matter to. there was no argument or any overt attempt at concincing him. Just mentioned how disaapointed one was that the Society will be hunting with the hares and running with the hounds; condeming the churches of Christiandom and at the same time preparingthe papers for registration with the UN DPI (Department of Public Information), and that the requestion for deletion was too close to the Stephen Bates article for any comfort. He did his own research. His findingout stuff. I'm unhappy formakinghim unhappy. But try making omelette without breaking eggs... So just take it easy. Don't do it with all that steam in you. Easy does it. It's a slow process, like evolution...
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rebel
But why should pr have to reason with anybody?
We don't have to justify ourselves to anyone else. Who do these people think they are?
You don't have to meet or discuss anything with anyone. Your thoughts and opinions are personal and nobody has the right to question them. Take the advice you have already been given pr, and don't meet with them. As someone has pointed out, you do not have to answer to anonymous accusations.
I will stop now because I am getting very angry
xxR
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Dansk
Rebel
We don't have to justify ourselves to anyone else. Who do these people think they are?
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!
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calamityjane
Besides going out door to door, it seems that JW's have nothing better to do but raise sh#t , and stir up trouble.
They're lives are so pathetically boring that they need this just to keep their lives interesting, and worth living.
I can go on and on, but that's my opinion.
I'm in the mood to kick butt, if you need any help
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Shakita
Ditto Joy's post.
If you must meet with this Elder, I would set the ground rules. If it was me, I would insist that he come as a friend, meaning on his own time (not using you to up his hourly quota), and to keep everything you say strictly confidential between friends. Then if he agrees, pray that he holds true to his word or you are toast.
Mrs. Shakita
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Dansk
If you must meet with this Elder
There's no MUST about it! Tell him to suck eggs!
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cruzanheart
Also, pr, I thought of something else: if the elders are going to accuse you, make sure you hold them to the "two witnesses rule." (1) You HAVE to be allowed to confront your accuser (after all, they make child abuse victims do it, don't they?); and (2) They have to have TWO witnesses for it to stick.
Go for it!
Nina
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Mulan
lots of luck, because whatever you say will go in one ear and out the other. REFUSE to meet with them and don't give them that authority over you.
Ditto. It's unlikely anything you say will affect them in a positive way. It will only convict YOU.
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Dansk
PR,
DO NOT
Go for it!
Honestly, I can't believe anyone would even suggest meeting with the jerks. If you meet it means you recognise their authority. If you HONESTLY believe the Watchtower to be false then tell them to stick it!
Don't let them even feel they've got a hold over you. DO NOT MEET WITH THEM!
Dansk