TW, thx for the post.
MMM: spot on!
Breitbart Report on JW "Russia persecution" sparks comments battle
by TerryWalstrom 35 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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careful
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DATA-DOG
MMM,
That’s a generalization, and not really the point. It’s time that vile behaviors are addressed and no longer swept under the rug of “religious freedom.”
Again, no government is without its share of ineptitude and hypocrisy, like Russia, but at least they’re trying to hold extremist religions accountable.
I freely admit that the Russian Orthodox Church may very well be just as corrupt as JWism, hence the hypocrisy, but that doesn’t mean JWism shouldn’t be put in check.
DD
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zeb
Could anyone please translate the footage please. -
OrphanCrow
zeb: Could anyone please translate the footage please
Youtube provides this translation:
MGB LNR suppressed the extremist activity of a religious organization
The Ministry of State Security in the territory of the Luhansk People's Republic suppressed the destructive activity of the extremist religious organization "All-Ukrainian Union of Evangelical Churches Christian Baptists."
This religious organization centered in Kiev evaded compulsory state registration, carried out destructive activities on the territory of the Republic.
Its leaders organized and held mass events in violation of the requirements of paragraphs 2.1 to 2.2 of the Decree of the Head of the Luhansk People's Republic of 04.05.2015 No. 169/01/05/15 "On the application of certain measures related to limiting the conduct of mass events provided for by the Law of the Lugansk People's Republic "On the Martial Law", Articles 17 and 18 of the Law of the Republic of Belarus "On Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations" No. 211- II of February 2, 2018. The
idea of forcible seizure of the Republics of the Armed Forces was preached in the religious association, close ties were maintained with representatives of the Ukrainian nationals alistic armed formations.
To achieve their goals, representatives of the All-Ukrainian Union of Evangelical Churches Christian Baptists ("WCC ECB") in the territory of the People's Republic of China subjected their "parishioners" to psychological influence with the use of psychotropic drugs. In the course of the operational activities it was also established that the WCC ECB attracted medical workers from medical institutions of the Republic who took part in the organization and conduct of mass religious events, carrying out private medical activities without coordination with the relevant ministry.
When checking the activities of the organization, printed publications, audio and video materials were created to incite hatred and hostility based on nationality, origin, membership of a social group, as well as the justification of war crimes committed by Kiev security officials against civilians in the Donbas. According to experts' conclusions, the literature found is recognized as extremist.
Further measures are being taken to identify, suppress and block the illegal activities of religious organizations in the territory of the People's Republic of China, including those related to the distribution of religious prints of an extremist nature.To achieve their goals, representatives of the All-Ukrainian Union of Evangelical Churches Christian Baptists ("WCC ECB") in the territory of the People's Republic of China subjected their "parishioners" to psychological influence with the use of psychotropic drugs.
In the course of the operational activities it was also established that the WCC ECB attracted medical workers from medical institutions of the Republic who took part in the organization and conduct of mass religious events, carrying out private medical activities without coordination with the relevant ministry.
When checking the activities of the organization, printed publications, audio and video materials were created to incite hatred and hostility based on nationality, origin, membership of a social group, as well as the justification of war crimes committed by Kiev security officials against civilians in the Donbas. According to experts' conclusions, the literature found is recognized as extremist.
Further measures are being taken to identify, suppress and block the illegal activities of religious organizations in the territory of the People's Republic of China, including those related to the distribution of religious prints of an extremist nature.
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MeanMrMustard
@DATA-DOG:
That’s a generalization, and not really the point. It’s time that vile behaviors are addressed and no longer swept under the rug of “religious freedom.”
Don’t undermine freedom of association because you view beliefs as “vile”... unless you were attempting to make some sort of distinction, but that didn’t come through at all. You are praising Russia’s ban “JWism” as an American.
Again, no government is without its share of ineptitude and hypocrisy, like Russia, but at least they’re trying to hold extremist religions accountable.
All governments are the epitome of ineptitude and hypocrisy.
DNA is to biological creatures as ineptitude is to government.
That’s the point. Governments shouldn’t choose which beliefs are vile, they will get it wrong each time. And then when they try to fix it, they make it worse.
Now, again, if you trying to make a distinction, perhaps addressing child molestation or letting children die by withholding medical treatment, then yes, there is a case to be made for those behaviors specifically. But saying “extremist religions” tends to make me think you were shooting for the whole shebang.
I freely admit that the Russian Orthodox Church may very well be just as corrupt as JWism, hence the hypocrisy, but that doesn’t mean JWism shouldn’t be put in check.
Define JWism in this context.
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stillMS
It's such a joke to listen lectures on morals and anti-extremism from Russian government and its media. Not much better than taking lectures from ISIS about human rights.
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TerryWalstrom
Sort of "off-topic" but interesting is the fact that the Greek Orthodox church was part of the divided Roman Empire and the longest-lasting historically. (Rome 'fell' in 476 C.E. and the Orthodox empire lived on about another thousand years!)
Isolated as they were, the taint of Roman Catholic political influence was absent. NT Scripture preserved by the Greek Orthodox priests is probably closer to original texts. This doesn't necessitate those texts being viewed as "true", mind you, but as part of the confluence of tributaries leading to a "restored" Bible, the differences are noteworthy.
Russia (pre-Communist revolution) was among the most "churchy" places on earth. Christianity was practiced all through the Stalin years very unobtrusively. When the Glasnost happened, an immediate spring-back effect transpired and the churches were instantly filled with devout worshippers one again (as though the revolution never happened.)
The fact that the current Putin regime is supporting Russian Orthodox religious demonstrations of piety over and above intrusive Western sects and denominations would indicate to me (I have no supporting facts) that a kind of concordant agreement like Hitler and the Pope) has been made.
I'm going to spend the day researching my hypothesis.
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Vidiot
Historically, prohibition never really works.
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DATA-DOG
I think the vile behavior and the definition of JWism is self- explanatory.
Is there anyone on this site that doesn’t know what practices associated with the beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses are detrimental?
Let them believe their wacky doctrines. Let them meet in their homes or cult compound, but don’t let them say and do whatever they wish under the premise of freedom.
Also, their tax free ride should end.
DD
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redvip2000
but don’t let them say and do whatever they wish under the premise of freedom.
Well.... someone is not up-to-date on what freedom is. Yes we SHOULD let them say whatever they want, just like YOU can say whatever you want. That is what freedom is. You don't like the message? don't listen to it.
Or should we now start letting government decide which religions are good and which are bad?Also, their tax free ride should end.
Yes, true.... agree here. Especially considering that it's being used to fund the lifestyle of religious leaders.