The WatchTower and Higher Education

by Maverick 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • Maverick
    Maverick

    RunningMan's post on the fallacies of the WatchTower reasonings started me thinking on the GB's stand on higher education. I am impressed with the superb thinking ability of many who post here. Unclebruce, Stephanus, Victor_E, Gamaliel, blondie, Undisfellowshipped, and MacHislopp to name just a few. These people have exposed the GB's faulty reasonings with both clarity and wit.

    So, in my own humble attempt to follow their lead, I looked up the lastest material I had on this subject. My thinking is that the leadership does not want the RF to be 'too on the ball'. In my 25 years on the inside I took a lot of abuse for continuing my secular education.

    The 89 Awake 5/8, pgs.12-14 paint, what I think is, a fairly accurate picture of the J-dud master's stand on Higher Education. They promote the ministry over any additional schooling and assign value of all post remedial training with its usefulness to their mission. And they employ some of the very logic mentioned by RunningMan in this Awake article.

    Example: Paragraph ten states; While statistics indicate that university graduates earn higher salaries and suffer less unenployment than high school graduates, the book Planning Your College Education reminds us that these staistics are mere averages. Only a minority of university graduates receive sky-high salaries: the rest are paid wages that are far more down to earth. (Italics mine.)
    What did they actually say? What is sky-high, or down to earth? What does 'mere statistics' mean?

    Paragraph eleven states; 1 out of 5 [university] graduates who entered the labor market between 1970 and 1984 took a job not usually requiring a degree... What they don't say is 4 out of 5 graduates did get jobs they would not have gotten without this education. And what does 'not usually' mean?

    Paragraph fourteen states;"Students still have almost unlimited freedom in personal and social matters..."This is aimed at the parents, big time! Heaven forbid, you have to trust your child to think for themselves! The J-dud masters won't let the RF do that so why should their grown kids!

    Paragraph fifteen gets to their real motive as it states;The pressure to maintain high grades has caused some Christian youths to neglect spiritual activies and thus become vulnerable to the onslaught of secular thinking promoted by unviersities... They don't want people to actually start thinking and 'see' the manipulation methods they employ. And they color their reasoning in the negative.

    Well, what do they want from the RF? Worker bees! Smart enough to function but not smart enough to out grow the party line. Paragraph seventeen spells out the acceptable attitude and stand all good J-duds should have; But often there are apprenticeship programs, vocational or technical schools and short-term university courses that teach marketable skills with a minimum investment of time and money... They go on to talk about the 'short time left', this was published in 1989, that's fourteen years ago. Think of all the J-duds working for ten to twenty thousand dollars less each year since this came out. Think of their quality of life and personal satisfaction lost as a result of following this FDS! Think of their dulled mental abilities! I think I need an aspirin!... Thank you for your support! Maverick

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Yep, 14 yrs ago. So the 18 yr olds who passed on a better education are now 32 yrs old, and the "system" is still here.

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck
    I was lucky....I got to go to college....

    I actually got in by telling the admissions people that I had read the Awake! for at least 14 years, therefore, I was qualified to receive a diploma...

    They agreed

    Myself and another girl my age were the only two out of our cong who went to college.

    She studied architechture....she used the Russell Pyramids as her thesis. She proved how they really do have some significance. She received a diploma also.

    Seriously, this one (of many) really annoys me.

    Young people, waste your life trying to sell magazines door to door and cleaning office's for Joe Elder in your spare time. Jehovah might spare you at armageddon. Isn't that more important than saving for retirement (since there won't be one) and paying your bills on time?

  • nowisee
    nowisee

    this issue is a real sore spot for me.

    no, i did not go to college. my iq tested in hs at around l35. my mother is mensa. my father was brilliant, should have been lawyer, but he lived through depression and never realized his full potential. every year my hs counselors fought with my parents to get them to allow me to take college courses. they refused. probably as much because i was female (girls just get married and have children and don't need to work) as because i was jw. jws gave them a valid reason to deny me schooling. at age 37 i struggled and found a way to attend a trade school which now affords me a decent living. none of my family found a way to come to my graduation. what a smack in the face.

    on my down days i can get really angry about this. thankfully i have found a way to do something i love on my own.

    that is really the bottom line. it is up to each one of us to create a meaningful existence for ourselves.

  • Azalo
    Azalo

    i got out right after graduation from HS and thankfully i did go to college, what burns me is that i didnt get to play sports in HS, i know maybe its petty and insignificant but that is one of my biggest regrets in life.

  • greven
    greven

    My parents took quite some flak from the elders for letting me attend college. And heaven forbid I wanted to do biology, where they taught the evil doctrine of evolution.

    My parents stood their grounds and I am ever grateful for that. They gave me the chance they were denied themselves!

    Greven

  • jimbob
    jimbob

    I for one can speak from experience. I graduated from high school in the mid eighties. I did what every good dub does, and pioneered for two years instead of go to college. I always wanted to go to college, but of course, we know we would all be looked down upon if we did. But I'm happy to say that I just recently graduated with my first college degree, and now have a decent job because of it, while other dubs I know that are still in, are still struggling just to find work in this economy. Truly, the dubs have some sad reasoning here.

  • NAPPY ROOTS
    NAPPY ROOTS

    I did the exact same thing. I graduated from high school in the mid 80's and became a regular pioneer for 5 years. In high school I was awarded a scholarship but my parents wanted me to pioneer. When I finally left the JW's, I had to pay my own way to college.

    The JW's try to keep you isolated and ignorant. Therefore, you won't question the stupidity of their reasoning. Education is replacing an empty mind with an open one.

    As soon as I had children, I started saving for them to attend college. I can't believe the years and money I wasted.

  • 95stormfront
    95stormfront

    Their stand on education hadn't changed when I decided to go back to school in '94. I had elders at my home every other weekend for three months straight telling me I was wasting my time and that my time would be better spent on the ministry so close to the end. Elders who were already living good driving fancy cars and living in big houses, but I was supposed to be content with my "burger flipping" job in pursuit of their interpretation of spiritual goals.

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    1989 eh? How about this one from 1969!

    <Quote> Awake 1969 May 22 ***If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfilment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the "last days" in 1914, Jesus foretold: This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur" - Math.24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfil any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system be by that time? It will be well on the way toward it's finish, if not actually gone!**** (end of quote)

    I was 8 years old when this came out. Similar 'advice' followed (run up tp '75!). So I never went on to higher education when I was a teenager.

    I left the JWs when I was 25. When I was 38 I was accepted at University and now have a degree in education. It's never too late!

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