Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 69 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    @Person,

    You want to talk about faith? The bottom line is that if you were in some sort of legal trouble and a judge sent you word that he wanted to meet with you privately before your trial to work out terms that would be acceptable to both "the people" and to you, you know that you would take him up on the offer..... because you can see him.

    Yet, I see nothing in your comments that indicates that you have enough faith to show the same deference to Jesus, your judge. He is waiting on you Person. Don't blow it.

    "you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." - John 5: 40

    Come to Me - Jesus. Why not simply obey? Unless of course it is not a faith issue and you have already concluded like the Pharisees: "we will not have this man be ruler over us".

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    @Person


    You are right, there is no need to argue.🥰 Jesus taught us to pray to the Father.


    During the Millennial Reign, when Jesus visibly walks on the earth again in a materialized form, then more people will be comfortable talking to him.☺️(Luke 22:14-18;23:43)

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    Here's another place the Watchtower twists scripture: Revelation 1:16 "And he had in his right hand seven stars"


    The Watchtower says the stars are the elders in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses. (The WTBTS likes to make stuff up to get people to worship them! Yuck!)


    Here is what Jesus actually told John: "As for the sacred secret of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars mean the angels of the seven congregations" (Revelation 1:20)


    The stars mean the angels. Actual angels, not people messengers. At other places it says "into these things angels are desiring to peer." Angels are interested in the sacred secret too.


    The "seven congregations" aren't just the KHs of the WTBTS organization known as "Jehovah's Witnesses".


    "For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst." (Matthew 18:20)


    Jesus is the head of the congregation. "Jehovah knows those who belong to him." When the great tribulation begins, Jesus will send his angels to gather the faithful ones in true worship from wherever they are found and make clear those Pharisaical religious leader fakers who are not approved. When it says illustratively of the religious fakers that "their weeping and gnashing will be in the fiery furnace" it implies they will lose their "privileged" status in their respective religious institutions when those religious institutions are destroyed. They will still be alive enough to "weep" and "gnash their teeth" about losing their esteemed statuses.


    There are true Christians in many places, and we are one family when we follow Christ, it's just some of the false doctrines (the leaven) have to be cleared out. Jesus will clear them out at the appointed time, and we will be united in spirit and truth.


    Here is what the angels of the congregation will do:


    "The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be. At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen." (Matthew 13:41-43)

  • Person
    Person

    Easy Prompt I agree with you 100%. I find Haggai 2:7 and Ezekiel 34 (almost the entire chapter) very encouraging in this respect. And all this, of course, will be through our Lord Jesus. So thank for reminding me of this

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    😍Ezekiel 34 is one of my FAVORITE chapters in the whole Bible!!! It has helped me cope with the horribleness of the borg many, many days where I was feeling super low.💖

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    The Watchtower magazine bases its articles on Bible teaching. If you are questioning that then you are undermining the basis for believing it is the truth. Honestly, sometimes I think this discussion forum is beginning to develop apostate leanings. 😁

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    "The Watchtower magazine bases its articles on Bible teaching." 🤣🤣🤣


    Yeah, it seems they get some of their techniques from this guy who also quotes the Bible...


    "Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”


    The Watchtower, serving up Apostasy like my Italian relatives servin' up da 'A'pasta' on Prince Spaghetti Day! A'pasta see for everyone! "Mangia, mangia!"😂

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    It should be noted that Jesus is worthy of and entitled to worship, including, prayer and praise. The first to worship the invisible Christ, were the 11 disciples post ascension.

    Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

    Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

    Luk 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

    Luk 24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Witnesses argue that Jesus Christ is not entitled to the unqualified or unlimited worship due the Father. But by denying the Son reverent homage or service paid to God they can only ascribe to Him instead, recognition, honor, respect given to men.

    Relative honor to God through an angel was

    reproved in these words: "Be careful! Do not

    do that!...Worship God."

    Revelation 19:10; 22:8, 9, NWT)

    'Let God Be True', 1952 edition p. 151


    The distinctions Witnesses make in worship due the Father and Son are totally extra-biblical and not in keeping with Apostolic teaching and practice.

    What is it that distinguishes that Christ is not to be genuinely worshiped as the Father is worshiped?

    Language of Scripture:

    "Proskyneo" is consistently translated as "worship" in the King James. "Proskyneo" is applied 21 times to the Father and 17 times to the Son. The only fair conclusion we can come to here is that the language of scripture does not distinguish that Christ is not to be genuinely worshiped as the Father is worshiped.


    Scriptural Example:

    There is not one example of the disciples or anyone else in scripture limiting their expression of worship of Christ. Jesus never rebuked the disciples for improper proskyneo of Himself. Only the self proclaimed religious authorities objected to Jesus being honored as the Father was honored. They proclaimed vigorously, saying such things as, "You make yourself equal with God" and "Only God can forgive sins" etc. To them, no man should claim the attributes or prerogatives of God. So not only does scriptural language, but also scriptural example fails to distinguish that Christ is not to be genuinely worshiped.


    Scriptural Instruction:

    There are no proscriptive instructions defining relative proskyneo of Christ, nor are there restrictive commandments, limiting the proskyneo of the Son. So the alleged distinction in meaning of proskyneo of Father and Son is not clarified by a distinction in scriptural terminology or by scriptural example or by scriptural commandment either prescriptive or restrictive. All restrictions proposed by any religious authority are really extra-biblical (i.e. the commandments of men). The truth is that ALL MEN SHOULD HONOR THE SON EVEN AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER (Jn.5:22, 23). Christians can and the disciples could, never honor Jesus too highly.


    Witnesses argue that Matthew 4:10 excludes unqualified worship of the Son. "You shall worship the Lord your God and him ONLY shall you serve". (Matt 4:10) That is simply not true. The exclusive element of this instruction rests on the last phrase and yet we are called to be servants of Christ. If we substitute the word "Honor" for worship in Matthew 4:10, so that it read "You shall honor the Lord your God and him only shall you serve", would the verse inform Christians that they should not give identical honor to the Son?

    Form and Content:

    "...to worship Christ in any form cannot be wrong." (W.T. March 1880. p.83)

    Can the alleged distinction in meaning of 'proskyneo' when applied to the Son be established by the form or content of worship displayed by the disciples/apostles? Do not the following constitute elements of proskyneo in terms of form and content that can legitimately be a part of the proskyneo rendered to the Son:

    a. bowing the knee to Jesus while confessing Him as Lord? Phil.2:9-11

    b. prostrating oneself completely before Jesus? Rev.5:8

    c. fellowship or commune with Jesus, sharing our personal aspirations and hopes? I Jn.1:3

    d. coming to Jesus for relief of personal burdens and cares? Mat. 11:28

    e. calling on the name of Jesus, addressing Him personally as Lord? Acts 9:14, I Cor.1:2

    f. praying personally to Jesus, petitioning Him for self and others? Acts 7:59-60 Jn.14:14

    g. glorifying Jesus by praise? Ps.50:23 Jn.16:14, Mat.21:14-16

    h. honoring Jesus verbally by ascribing worth to Him?

    eg."To Him who sits on the throne, and to the

    Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power,

    for ever and ever. Rev.5:13 NIV.

    i. honoring Jesus by shouting or even singing His praises?

    e.g. In a loud voice they (angels) sang:

    Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain

    to receive power and wealth and Wisdom

    and strength and HONOR AND GLORY

    AND PRAISE. Rev.5:12 NIV.


    j. verbally ascribing to Jesus absolute worth?

    e.g. JESUS: Lord of Lords and King of Kings;

    Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last,

    The beginning and the end. Rev.20:12

    My Lord and my Ho Theos. Jn.20:28

    Your name is to be praised O Emmanuel,

    Ho Theos with us! Mat.1:23

    All power in heaven and earth is Yours;

    You created all things; and without you there

    was nothing made. Jn.1:3

    And Your throne Ho Theos is forever. Heb. 1:8

    May all angels and men worship you continually. Heb.1:6

    Even so come Lord Jesus: Rev.22:20 Amen.


    k. Worship of Lamb in heaven by all creation

    “And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.” The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped.” Rev. 5:13-14 NWT 1961

    WHICH ELEMENTS OF PROSKYNEO (ABOVE) DO YOU PRACTICE?

    Whether or not one acknowledges an ontological unity between Father and Son, it is clear that Jesus accepted the title God (Ho Theos) as part of worship of himself. (Jn 20:28) and we should feel free to address and worship Him as such. Anything less would be to reduce the honor due His name; the name above all names; the name to which angels must bow and to which the Father declares: Thy throne O God (Ho Theos) is forever. After all, Jesus Christ is our Creator. Why would we not worship our Creator as God?

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Phil 2.11 says that everyone bending their knee to Jesus is “to the glory of God the Father.”

    I’ve yet to read any statement in scripture that even hints that worship of God is “to the glory of” an another. Clearly Jesus is distinguish from God in this verse because worship to God is his alone by right, whereas bending the knee to Jesus is for the purpose of elevating Jesus’ God and ours.

    God is the source of everything and the rightful recipient of worship.

    Jesus is God’s Son through who God created everything and through whom he will reconcile all creation. Thus all honour and praise to Jesus is, as scripture plainly says, “to the glory of God the Father.”

    Paul spells out the difference between God and Jesus extremely clearly again in 1 Cor 15.27 and 28:

    27 For “God has put all things in subjection under [Jesus] feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

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