Acts 15:29 - "keep abstaining from blood"

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  • TD
    TD

    The Jerusalem counsel was precipitated thus:

    "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."

    The earliest Christians, especially in Jerusalem, had simply added belief in Jesus to a full observance of the Law.

    The decision of the council was that new converts did not have to be circumcised or follow the law, but did need to observe four abstentions

    As Christian commentators observe, these were the minimum requirements for the alien resident stated in the same order they appear in the Torah.

    Improperly bled meat is covered by the third abstention. The first abstention is about idolatry, or more precisely the Jewish belief that it did not matter if the idol sacrifice was later sold at a meat market or not. --Benefiting from the sin was participation in the sin.

    Paul's more emancipated viewpoint is a problem for those who claim the Decree was necessary for salvation and it requires a more studied explanation than merging and conflating two of the abstentions.

    EasyPrompt appears to be confused about every material detail here.
  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    Jehovah's Witnesses not only avoid the consumption of blood (such as blood sausage) but also blood transfusions—even in life-threatening situations. In specific cases, this can go so far as to rather let a person die who could be saved with a blood transfusion than to revive them with what they consider “sinful” and “spiritually impure” foreign blood (The Watchtower Society also rejects the use of one's own blood). Jehovah's Witnesses carry written "authorization" for doctors in case of emergency. Such religious convictions, referring to the right of self-determination, can push doctors and nurses into moral conflicts in specific cases. The question arises whether religious conviction or the life of the patient should take precedence, and whether treatment (or rather non-treatment) can be prescribed in such cases. The Vienna Institute of Medical Anthropology and Bioethics dealt with the problems of “Jehovah's Witness as a patient” and pointed out the difficulties of clear decision-making. Enrique H. Prat, the head of the institute, considers two possibilities:

    "... from an ethical point of view, two types of behavior are acceptable in an emergency during surgery: once the behavior of the doctor who "secured himself” before the operation, meaning that the patient knows what he is relying on, and therefore consistently performs the surgery without blood transfusions until the unfortunate outcome. However, the behavior of a doctor who decides to give blood transfusions in an emergency, driven by the deep anthropological belief that the patient would otherwise approve the use of blood products before the unstoppable end" (Imago Hominis II/Nr 1, 1995, p. 66).

    Setting aside these ethical considerations, a deeper and more practical question arises: How do Jehovah's Witnesses come to this conviction? Are the cited scriptures really to be understood this way?

    Certainly, blood occupies an important place not only in the Old and New Testament scriptures but also in the books and rituals of many world religions. In ancient cultures, including Israel, blood was considered a particularly sacred element. Because both humans and animals can bleed, blood is seen as the very substance of life; the soul/life force (nefes) that makes animals living beings resides in blood (Gen 9:4; Lev 17:11; Deut 12:23). Religions and cults often associate blood with contradictory notions: it carries spirits or protects against demons, contaminates or purifies, harms or benefits. In Israel's pagan surroundings, the consumption of blood (both animal and human) was widespread and related to magical beliefs (i.e., wanting to acquire the life force of the particular animal or person). Such practices were detestable to God and His people. Therefore, Jews still adhere to strict slaughtering guidelines that ensure an animal is thoroughly bled. The early Christians, stemming from their Jewish parent religion, also shared this revulsion towards consuming blood. Because Jewish Christians naturally feared the blood found in meat not properly bled, as enjoyed by pagans, the Apostolic Decree (Acts 15:20,29; 21:25) regulated the concessions demanded by Gentile Christians against the rejection of improperly bled meat by Jewish Christians. Of the four requirements, three relate to the rejection of blood: "Abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from strangled animals, and from blood!"

    Theodor Zahn points out, based on Acts 15, the concessions made for the coexistence of Jewish and Gentile Christians:

    "It is not the Mosaic law that needs to be imposed on the Gentile Christian congregations but something entirely different, i.e., they should abstain from things that, in James' judgment, are partly dangerous and partly repulsive... This dual warning, expressed in general (haima) and specific (pniktou) terms against enjoying animal blood, was not directly related to Christian faith and Christian ethical teaching as proclaimed by Jesus. It was much more about the inherited revulsion of Jewish Christians, ingrained by the Mosaic law, against all kinds of enjoyment of blood, considering it a pagan immorality".

    This historical religious background raises the question: Does the consumption of blood pudding, condemned today by Jehovah's Witnesses, truly correspond to "pagan immorality"? Specifically, does anyone eating such a product today expect a transfer of life force, as was the case with pagan ritual blood consumption (or as is the case in modern-day Satanic communities)? Or is there anyone who would expect something similar in a blood transfusion? It seems to me that today, very few would entertain such notions. If behaviors related to pagan magical associations with blood are no longer present, then what is the purpose of such prohibitions? Acts 15 is understandable only in the context of the early Christian church, comprised of Jewish and Gentile Christians who positioned themselves against the surrounding pagan-magical world. The abhorred bloody rituals were common at that time. However, this is no longer the case today (except for secret Satanic cults).

    We must start by considering what the context of Acts 15 is. There, of course, a debate emerged between Jewish and Gentile Christians about how much the Old Testament Law obligates Christians of non-Jewish descent. Here, the apostles make the doctrinal decision not to burden ("not to trouble") the Gentiles, since the Mosaic law is such a burden - according to Peter's testimony - that even the Jews themselves were not able to bear. Thus, the apostolic council pinpointed the eternally valid dogmatic truth that salvation for every person on Earth is solely through the sacrfice of Jesus Christ. The Old Testament was merely a precursor that has now come to fruition.

    On the other hand, they specify four things that Gentile Christians should abstain from. These are:

    1. Impurity caused by idols,
    2. Fornication,
    3. Strangled animals, and
    4. Blood.

    These are the fundamental rules of living that enable Jewish and non-Jewish Christians to coexist within the congregations. But why specifically these four? Belonging to the chosen people was either something innate or it was possible through conversion (turning from pagan to Jew). The first step of this was that the converted proselyte was circumcised. From this point on, they were seen as an integral part of the chosen people, and could, for instance, take part in the Passover dinner.

    But how could Jewish Christian siblings know that Christians who were previously pagans had truly separated from pagan rituals if they weren't circumcised? From the fact that they met the aforementioned four criteria by not participating in:

    1. Idol sacrifices (almost every false deity had its own),
    2. Ritualistic sexual unions (certain fertility rituals, religious prostitution),
    3. Also in the ritualistic consumption of strangled animals, and
    4. The ritualistic use of blood (Mithras cult).

    If they refrained from these, they weren't partaking in the false worship practices of paganism. Thus, the Christian siblings who were Jews could confidently fellowship with them. From a pastoral viewpoint, Jews could still uphold (now not mandatorily) the ritualistic and disciplinary rules of the Old Testament (based on the 613 prescriptions in the Torah), while the incoming multitude (goyim) had an obligation "for the sake of peace" (!) to uphold the 7 Noachide laws, which not the pagan "converts" to Judaism were obliged to keep, but rather those who had become "proselytes" through the pre-existing "Noachide" pagan mission in Israel's messianic anticipation. Among these was, for example, the prohibition of consuming blood. These are the pastoral, disciplinary resolutions of the apostolic council. Therefore, the prohibition found in Acts 15:20,29 seems at first glance to be a reinforcement of the old law. But here, the apostles are referencing the law pertaining to foreigners in the land of Israel (Lev 17:8-9, 10-12, 15; 18:6-18). On one hand, the converted pagans (or Christians in general) were granted admission to the "land of Israel", but on the other, they didn't want to cause offense among the old "natives" (see 1 Cor 10:28-33).

    If you read further after 15:20, it explains this:

    "...for from ancient generations Moses has had those who proclaim him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."

    These were the proselytes who lived in the territory of Israel, and for the sake of peace, they had to adhere to those customs that particularly offended Jewish sensitivities. Therefore, based on the historical context, it is known that the primary reason for the prohibition here was the ritualistic use of blood, which was practiced during certain pagan cults.

    The Watchtower Society's biblical explanation tends to make a secondary issue (adiaforon) a main one, potentially thrusting its followers into the most severe conscientious conflicts. However, the New Testament deals differently with such topics. For example, Rom 14 and 1Cor 8 leave the consumption of meat sacrificed to idols, which appears in Acts 15 alongside "blood" and "strangled", and itself contains blood, to individual conscience:

    "One person believes they may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables... Whoever eats, does so for the Lord, giving thanks to God. And whoever abstains does so for the Lord and gives thanks to God... For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit." (Rom 14:2,6,17).
    "...Not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food, they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled... Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do" (1Cor 8:7-8).

    Jesus himself spoke against the magical notions of "contamination" due to certain foods (certainly including the consumption of blood) when he said:

    "There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him... Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?" With this, Jesus declared all foods clean, but added, "What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person" (Mark 7:15,18-23).

    The first letter to Timothy specifically warns against those false teachings that inundate people with rules about food and convince them that their salvation depends on such things:

    "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer" (1 Timothy 4:1-5).

    With all that I have said, I am in no way trying to promote the consumption of blood sausage or the like, but rather to put the issue in its place: it's a matter of individual conscience. If someone has a concern - for example, due to the aforementioned Old Testament passages or Acts 15 - they should abstain. However, those who do consume it should know that their salvation doesn't depend on it. This is especially true for blood transfusion. Anyone who allows themselves to receive foreign blood will not perish. They don't receive a foreign soul from others (in my opinion, this magical notion is ultimately behind the ban of the Watchtower Society). It has nothing to do with abominable pagan customs; it's about saving lives. Here clearly applies God's call already present in the Old Testament: "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice!" (Hosea 6:6), which Jesus also refers to and confirms (Matthew 9:13; 12:7).

    God's prohibition on blood emphasized the sanctity of life. Consuming animal blood, therefore, signifies the belittling of the sanctity of life. In contrast, blood donation and transfusion testify that we can appreciate and distinguish the sanctity of life. Equating these two fundamentally different things is akin to contempt and wickedness.

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    "Abstain from blood."


    It's not complicated.


    TD said: "EasyPrompt appears to be confused about every material detail here."


    aqwsed12345 said: "God's prohibition on blood emphasized the sanctity of life. Consuming animal blood, therefore, signifies the belittling of the sanctity of life. In contrast, blood donation and transfusion testify that we can appreciate and distinguish the sanctity of life. Equating these two fundamentally different things is akin to contempt and wickedness."


    I'm not the one who is confused or encouraging wickedness.


    @TD, @aqwsed12345, You guys are the lovers of blood sucking vampires, not me.


    Matthew 10:32, 33


    "Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens. But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens."


    Either you accept Jesus blood 100%, or you don't. There is no "fraction" of accepting salvation from men. Accepting blood fractions from imperfect men is an abomination and encouraging such procedures is demonic.


    It's Jesus' blood that saves. That's the only authorized use for blood.


    "Abstain from blood."

  • TD
    TD

    "Abstain from blood."

    Again, a complete sentence requires a transfer of action between subject and object:

    -----

    "The dog bit the boy."

    "The man caught a fish."

    "The child threw the ball."

    -----

    Verbs that fulfill this function are called transitive or finite.

    "Abstain" is not a transitive verb. It can't take an object and can't transfer action between subject and object:

    -----

    "Abstain from shrubbery"

    "Abstain from locomotive"

    "Abstain from sky"

    "Abstain from crankshaft"

    -----

    The phrases above are incomplete and as such are nonsensical.

    Like JW writers, you are invoking an incomplete predicate apart from the context that completes it and passing it off as an independent construction.

    If you realize what you're doing it's dishonest. If you don't realize what you're doing, it's ignorant.

    Like the thread title states, what the Decree actually said was, "To keep abstaining....from blood." --A clear reference to a prohibition that was already in existence at the time the words were written.

    If you can bridge the gap between the eating of blood and the transfusion of blood without committing the fallacy of equivocation, or making reference to Bram Stoker or posting silly pictures, I'd like to hear it.

    I honestly don't think you can though. JW writers have been trying for 60+ years and haven't been able to do it.

  • PetrW
    PetrW

    @aqwsed12345

    Very nice! Mercy glorieth against judgment!

    Just a note: in discussions with Adventists regarding Sabbath-keeping, I have found a similar "explanatory formula". Both Adventists and JWs collectively claim that the Sabbath/blood command was given before the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law affirmed the Sabbath/blood command. And both Adventists and JWs find support in the NT for the continued uncompromising necessity to follow the commands given. More dangerous and life-threatening, of course, is the blood issue than the Sabbath issue (but even that is not entirely without problems).

    Any discussion on the subject of Christ being the end of the Law, and thus of the Sabbath and blood, is met with stiff resistance from these groups. It is part of their creed, and to deny these articles of faith is to break with that church.

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt
    "If you can bridge the gap between the eating of blood and the transfusion of blood without committing the fallacy of equivocation, or making reference to Bram Stoker or posting silly pictures, I'd like to hear it."


    "Keep abstaining from blood."


    Faithful Israelites in ancient times didn't transfuse blood or use medical blood products.


    "Keep abstaining from blood."

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    Hi E.P.

    "Keep abstaining from blood."

    It seems you know alot about how God feels about this subject. Here are 6 questions I'd like clarification on.

    1. Do you believe blood is always sacred to God? If a Jew had bled some blood from an animal without killing the animal, would the extracted blood have been acceptable as a sacred sacrifice to God?

    2. Do you believe a doctor who told a patient to abstain from meat would be upset if the patient later had a liver transplant?

    3. Do you believe a blood transfusion would be acceptable to Jehovah if it was the person's own blood that was stored for transfusion? If not, why not?

    4. Do you believe Jehovah is against blood tests? Why or why not?

    5. Do you believe Jehovah is against dialysis? Why or why not?

    6. Do you believe Jehovah is against hemophiliacs using blood clotting fractions VIII and IX which are derived from the donated blood of others?

  • enoughisenough
    enoughisenough
    EasyPrompt...you are casting your pearls
  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    @EP

    Here are some direct answers to my questions

    1. Should Christians ask conscience questions at a feast hosted in the home of a pagan who regularly eats meat previously sacrificed to idols?

    Correct answer: No, unless there is a brother with a weak conscience present.

    ;

    2. Should Christians ask conscience questions at a feast hosted in the home of a pagan who was known to enjoy eating things strangled?

    Correct answer: No, unless there is a brother with a weak conscience present.

    ;

    3. Did Jehovah allow Jews under the law to eat unbled meat if they found one of their flock or herd had died in their field?

    Correct answer: Yes, provided they washed and changed their garments. Obviously not a serious defilement that would result in being cut off from God's people.

  • EasyPrompt
    EasyPrompt

    🙂💖For the "sheeplike" ones:


    "It seems you know alot about how God feels about this subject. Here are 6 questions I'd like clarification on."


    I need not be considered. God's Word is clear.🙂


    "1. Do you believe blood is always sacred to God? If a Jew had bled some blood from an animal without killing the animal, would the extracted blood have been acceptable as a sacred sacrifice to God?"


    Malachi 1:13,14


    "“And you bring stolen, lame, and sick animals. Yes, you bring such things as a gift! Should I accept it from your hand?” says Jehovah. “Cursed is the cunning one who has a sound male animal in his flock, but he makes a vow and sacrifices a blemished one to Jehovah. For I am a great King,” says Jehovah of armies, “and my name will be awe-inspiring among the nations.""


    Proverbs 12:10


    "The righteous one takes care of his domestic animals,

    But even the mercy of the wicked is cruel."


    Blood is always sacred to God and not to be tampered with for unholy unapproved purposes. Removing some of the blood from an animal would blemish the animal, it would no longer be a sound sacrifice. And it would be cruel. Neither would be acceptable to God.


    "2. Do you believe a doctor who told a patient to abstain from meat would be upset if the patient later had a liver transplant?"


    Whether that particular doctor in your illustration gets upset probably depends on whether the insurance provider was willing to completely pay him for the surgery or not.😆


    "3. Do you believe a blood transfusion would be acceptable to Jehovah if it was the person's own blood that was stored for transfusion? If not, why not?

    4. Do you believe Jehovah is against blood tests? Why or why not?

    5. Do you believe Jehovah is against dialysis? Why or why not?

    6. Do you believe Jehovah is against hemophiliacs using blood clotting fractions VIII and IX which are derived from the donated blood of others?"



    Genesis 9:4-6


    "Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat. Besides that, I will demand an accounting for your lifeblood. I will demand an accounting from every living creature; and from each man I will demand an accounting for the life of his brother. Anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed, for in God’s image He made man."


    Deuteronomy 12:23,24


    "Just be firmly resolved not to eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the flesh. You must not eat it. You should pour it out on the ground like water. You must not eat it, so that it may go well with you and your children after you, because you are doing what is right in Jehovah’s eyes."


    Bible principles show that blood, once out of the body, needs to go back to God. In Israelite times, that meant either on the altar for worship in the manner approved by God or poured back to the ground. We are made of dust. God breathed life into us. The blood symbolizes the life. Pouring the blood back to the dust shows our recognition of where we came from and respect for God.


    To play the part of a god, like some in the medical system do, to attempt to make someone "live forever" by fooling around with blood is sacrilegious. When spiritistic movies and books make fun of blood and life with their vampires and frankensteins, they are just making a parody of what goes on in the medical business system.


    It is not wrong to take care of your body and stay clean and bind up your wounds if you get hurt. Get a cast if you break your arm. Get the medical care that is practical and within the bounds of what is scripturally appropriate. But to put the teachings of imperfect men ahead of the clear command of God by taking in blood in any way shape or form is neither wise nor obedient to the Christ.


    There are some "doctors" who think sex changes or immorality or abortion are the solution to certain situations. As Christians, we need to be guided, not by what is popular in the world, but by what the Christ teaches and directs by means of holy spirit, even if it makes us unpopular.


    1 Corinthians 3:18-20


    "Let no one deceive himself: If anyone among you thinks he is wise in this system of things, let him become a fool, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, for it is written: “He catches the wise in their own cunning.” And again: “Jehovah knows that the reasonings of the wise men are futile.”"


    Acts 15:29


    "For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!"

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