'You didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!'

by William Penwell 148 Replies latest jw friends

  • Simon
    Simon
    That's exactly the point I was making. The value of a human life changes depending on who is doing the evaluating. For Americans, American lives are of slightly more value. For Iraqis an Iraqi's life is of slightly more value. Generally speaking, of course.

    Nooooooo .... that's not it !

    The real value does not changed based on the evaluating - only that we have the information and know the people. What nationality they are shouldn't matter one jot.

    If I lived in America and knew my American neighbours then I may think they are good people (or not, LOL) but it would not make the whole population of America better or worse than other countries based on those people alone - all it does is let me decide what I think the value of those people is.

    Americans may think American lives are more valuable but I think this is a result of upbringing.

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    Sounds like racism to me. That was the same argument that the slave owners made before the American civil war. Also regarding women not having a vote. Even though the constitution said that "all men are created equal" that excluded Afro Americans and women.

    A bit of a digression here people but the scary thing to me and a majority of people is that by the US going to war with a pre-empted invasion of another country, the Americans have upped the anti. Other "axis of evil" countries such as North Korea or Iran may decide to disarm or in fear of them being next on the hit list escalate their weapons of mass destruction. So put your self in their shoes, what would you do?? The US won’t be in any position then to go after ever rouge state at this point because it will take all their resources monetarily and militarily to rebuilt the mess they made in Iraq. Even though the US will win the war they will lose in the long run.

    Will

  • rem
    rem
    Even though the US will win the war they will lose in the long run.

    I just love armchair prognosticators. The US may lose in the long run, they may not. Nobody knows for sure.

    rem

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    WP,

    Don't forget the 'white' women. It would educational to known if the Constitution was written exclusively for the Anglo-Saxons or did it include others races of mankind? While am asking the question, maybe you can tell me who official endorsed the Euro-American Constitution? I'm not referring to the fifty some odd signers of this document either.

    Guest 77

  • tyydyy
    tyydyy

    Simon,

    The real value does not changed based on the evaluating - only that we have the information and know the people. What nationality they are shouldn't matter one jot.

    Shouldn't but it does.......... to most people.

    Americans may think American lives are more valuable but I think this is a result of upbringing.

    Oh .....so you're saying that most people in Iraq don't think that Iraqi lives are of slightly more value than Americans?

    William Penwell,

    Sounds like racism to me. That was the same argument that the slave owners made before the American civil war.

    Please get off your Politically Correct high horse. It is not racism. Geesh It is not the same arguement the slave owners used. They didn't think that blacks (or should I use the Politically Correct AFRO-Americans) were of less value because they were from another country. The slave owners placed no value on the lives of their slaves as human beings. They thought of them as animals. I have not been talking about that kind of measurable lack of value on human life. All I said was that people will place slightly more value on human life based on their association with the other person. The closer the association the more value, be it ever so slight.

    TimB

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    I think the subject of this thread is quite good for what I've got to say, but I've got a question for Simon.

    In this thread jelly said

    Hopefully they soldiers didnt use radioactive bullets, if they had the kids might have mutated into 'flipper babies'.

    There's any number of different ways one can interpret that given the context of the thread. I assumed the comment was along the lines of;

    "oh, look at the concern, pity people didn't care this much when we fired 300 tons of depleted Uranium in the last Gulf War, I guess long slow death by radiation is better than a bullet"

    I don't know what you thought the subtext of the post was, but you said;

    You're comments are completely out of order and insensitive to the tragic loss of life. Would you like to hear people talling Sep 11 jokes? I suspect not.

    jelly replied;

    blow me simon, if you dont like my comments delete them. Thats what your good at.

    Why have you now deleted jelly?

    1. Was it the implication you delete posts you don't like?
    2. Or the 'blow-me'.
    3. Both?
    4. The 'joke'?

    It seems a bit heavy handed to me; jelly is one of the longest standing posters here (over three years) - but it is your board and you can obviously act in whatever fashion you see fit.

    If you haven't deleted posts (I don't know, this is not some crafty vield accusation), then a far better way of 'getting jelly back' is to show that he had lied.

    The 'blow-me' has been exceeded in rudeness on many occasions by others, so that wouldn't be a fair reason to delete him.

    And as for the offensiveness; it was pretty clear there was a meaning under what jelly said; unlike Iron Eage who gets away with suggesting gays should be crucified and means it literally (without deletion of post or account).

    Now Iron Eagle's post IS a clear breach of guidelines (hate speech, incitement to break the law, etc.), whereas jelly's breach isn't to me a clear case of breaching guidelines.

    If you deleted him because of the flipper babies comment and he did mean what I think he meant, well, it's not really a fair deletion, is it? Do you know what he meant?

    Even if you reacted badly 'cause you didn't get what he meant, and he reacted badly to your reaction, it's still not really a fair deletion as it was a misunderstanding.

    Obviously working with cult survivors we need accountability and openess as we have so long been denied it in the Borg., so I hope you don't mind me asking for clarification of the reasons for jelly's deletion.

    Of course, it's your board, and you don't have to justify yourself if you choose not to. But at the moment it does seem that you didn't fire a warning shot soon enough.

  • Simon
    Simon

    I gave a suitable and polite warning to what I considered an inflamatory remark which was out of line. In return I got insulted and basically told to get lost. I really don't need to put up with crap like that from people.

    Therefore, to answer your question I would say:

    • The implication I delete posts I don't like.
    • The 'blow-me'.
    • I didn't think it was a joke.

    As for trying to compare this with any treatment of posts on other topics that I may not have seen - it really is irrelevant and I am not going to get into that nonsense again.

    On the basis that I may have misinterpreted jelly's comments and may have over-reacted I have re-activated his account.

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    A Joke? Read more like a death wish to me...lol

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Simon: Thanks for answering my questions and reacting in such a reasonable fashion.

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