Cult or Religion

by Richard C B 225 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • galaxie
    galaxie

    A decision based on a balanced judgement on the percentage scale should answer the question as to whether the jws are a cult:... judged against a religion which encourages personal opinion, open and free discussion, non judgemental, no sanction or consequential action if you decide to stop association, gives help and assistance to others for no personal gain, does not demand obedience to a figurehead be it an individual or composite which claims the right via supernatural means to exist....verses the jws who are the exact opposite of the former, which one bears the mark of a cult?

    Jw apologists think carefully do not be fooled too many people have been emotionally scarred been left abandoned and have died because of these hypocrites and charlatans !!

  • FayeDunaway
    FayeDunaway

    I have always thought of a cult as an organization that started with the often extreme beliefs of one person, followers had to agree with everything with no freedom of expression, they have control over your life, and it is very hard to leave.

    The witness argument that it wasn't a cult was always 'Because Russell simply used the bible to seek out truths!' All you have to do is read his old books to see he didn't simply use the Bible. He used the pyramids of Egypt. He used his own many, many strange thoughts. The religion splintered and Rutherford took over one faction and made the religion a police state which became the JW's we know today. You leave, you lose your family. That's only an extremist Muslim thing, and a cult thing (scientologists, JW's). Really. That is NOT normal.

  • Richard C B
    Richard C B

    @oneeyedjoe about the wife beater example i used, it would be someone that is not looking for help just on learning the bible, say like a spiritual awakening, that would be his only motive. This would be a positive outcome for him and his family. so what im saying is that not everyone feels its detrimental to them. yes its not all black and white thats why i used that example and im sure that is a senario that has benefited many families. Im trying to be balanced joe, its easy to jump on the band wagon and look at everything from a biased negative point of view im expressing independent thought. I THOUGHT THATS WHAT YOU GUYS WHERE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE HERE but i feel like im being slammed for this.

    @stuffwhatifink I dont think you have read my earlier posts, ive explained wht i meant by that

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  • Mikeinkona
    Mikeinkona
    Aloha all. I'm afraid that Richard CB has missed the point of this web site. I don't believe many of us would be here were it not for the fact that the wtbs has destroyed our families. This is not an intellectual exercise for most of us here. We know what this so called religion does to people on an institutional basis. It seems to me that mr. C b would be better off by reading up on cults and the Wtbs as well. If he thinks he is taking the intellectual high ground by dismissing the comments of those of us harmed by this cult, so be it. I for one am living proof that this cult is not harmless. Aloha
  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    What is a cult and what is a religion? Its open to debate. Who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

    In general one could define the deference between an identity of a cult and a religion by the amount of behavioral sociological control over the devoted adherents, the JWs gets recognized more as a cult because it has a high amount of internal control over its followers. .

    All religions are essentially cults, its just how extreme those controls are over the adherents to the religion.

    This has been posted before but its relevant information concerning mind control tactics and defining what is

    a recognized cult. .......... by Steve Hassan

    I've highlighted specific elements pertaining to the JWS

    1. Regulate individual’s physical reality
    2. Dictate where, how, and with whom the member lives and associates or isolates
    3. When, how and with whom the member has sex
    4. Control types of clothing and hairstyles
    5. Regulate diet - food and drink, hunger and/or fasting
    6. Manipulation and deprivation of sleep
    7. Financial exploitation, manipulation or dependence
    8. Restrict leisure, entertainment, vacation time
    9. Major time spent with group indoctrination and rituals and/or self indoctrination including the Internet
    10. Permission required for major decisions
    11. Thoughts, feelings, and activities (of self and others) reported to superiors
    12. Rewards and punishments used to modify behaviors, both positive and negative
    13. Discourage individualism, encourage group-think
    14. Impose rigid rules and regulations
    15. Instill dependency and obedience

    Information Control

    1. Deception:
    a. Deliberately withhold information
    b. Distort information to make it more acceptable
    c. Systematically lie to the cult member

    2. Minimize or discourage access to non-cult sources of information, including:
    a. Internet, TV, radio, books, articles, newspapers, magazines, other media
    b.Critical information
    c. Former members
    d. Keep members busy so they don’t have time to think and investigate
    e. Control through cell phone with texting, calls, internet tracking
    3. Compartmentalize information into Outsider vs. Insider doctrines
    a. Ensure that information is not freely accessible
    b.Control information at different levels and missions within group
    c. Allow only leadership to decide who needs to know what and when

    4. Encourage spying on other members
    a. Impose a buddy system to monitor and control member
    b.Report deviant thoughts, feelings and actions to leadership
    c. Ensure that individual behavior is monitored by group
    5. Extensive use of cult-generated information and propaganda, including:
    a. Newsletters, magazines, journals, audiotapes, videotapes, YouTube, movies and other media

    b.Misquoting statements or using them out of context from non-cult sources
    6. Unethical use of confession
    a. Information about sins used to disrupt and/or dissolve identity boundaries
    b. Withholding forgiveness or absolution
    c. Manipulation of memory, possible false memories

    Thought Control

    1. Require members to internalize the group’s doctrine as truth
    a. Adopting the group's ‘map of reality’ as reality
    b. Instill black and white thinking
    c. Decide between good vs. evil
    d. Organize people into us vs. them (insiders vs. outsiders)
    2.Change person’s name and identity
    3. Use of loaded language and clichés which constrict knowledge, stop critical thoughts and reduce complexities into platitudinous buzz words
    4. Encourage only ‘good and proper’ thoughts
    5. Hypnotic techniques are used to alter mental states, undermine critical thinking and even to age regress the member
    6. Memories are manipulated and false memories are created
    7. Teaching thought-stopping techniques which shut down reality testing by stopping negative thoughts and allowing only positive thoughts, including:
    a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking
    b. Chanting
    c. Meditating
    d. Praying
    e. Speaking in tongues
    f. Singing or humming
    8. Rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism
    9. Forbid critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy allowed
    10. Labeling alternative belief systems as illegitimate, evil, or not useful

    Emotional Control

    1. Manipulate and narrow the range of feelings – some emotions and/or needs are deemed as evil, wrong or selfish
    2. Teach emotion-stopping techniques to block feelings of homesickness, anger, doubt
    3. Make the person feel that problems are always their own fault, never the leader’s or the group’s fault
    4. Promote feelings of guilt or unworthiness, such as
    a. Identity guilt
    b. You are not living up to your potential
    c. Your family is deficient
    d. Your past is suspect
    e. Your affiliations are unwise
    f. Your thoughts, feelings, actions are irrelevant or selfish
    g. Social guilt
    h. Historical guilt

    5. Instill fear, such as fear of:
    a. Thinking independently
    b. The outside world

    c. Enemies
    d. Losing one’s salvation
    e. Leaving or being shunned by the group
    f. Other’s disapproval
    6. Extremes of emotional highs and lows – love bombing and praise one moment and then declaring you are horrible sinner
    7. Ritualistic and sometimes public confession of sins
    8. Phobia indoctrination: inculcating irrational fears about leaving the group or questioning the leader’s authority
    a. No happiness or fulfillment possible outside of the group
    b. Terrible consequences if you leave: hell, demon possession, incurable diseases, accidents, suicide, insanity, 10,000 reincarnations, etc.
    c. Shunning of those who leave; fear of being rejected by friends, peers, and family
    d. Never a legitimate reason to leave; those who leave are weak, undisciplined, unspiritual, worldly, brainwashed by family or counselor, or seduced by money, sex, or rock and roll

    e. Threats of harm to ex-member and family
  • stuffwotifink
    stuffwotifink
    @stuffwhatifink I dont think you have read my earlier posts, ive explained wht i meant by that
    I did.
    You did not. (Unless I misunderstand you)

    Quoting something Jebus said does not demonstrate that your understanding or "interpretation" is the "true" one. The argument as to the bible's "True meaning" is hardly over, hence sects and denominations...

    And as I asked before (the formatting is odd on that page, perhaps you missed it), do you not consider the GB to be a composite charismatic leader?
  • wisdomfrombelow
    wisdomfrombelow

    To OP,

    Since you have started this thread I would suggest you define the terms "cult" and "religion" so that it is clear to everyone and yourself what you mean. The definition in a dictionary is not always the same as the connotation that the word carries to certain individuals.

    For a long time the Jehovah's Witnesses didn't even refer to themselves as a religion. They self-identified as something else. What most people seem to agree on are the characteristics of the organization and how many view it them as dangerous. If you call it a cult or call it a tulc or luct or anything else...that is just a series of letters. When you get to describing what they are, then each person can decide what word or word encompass it.

  • Richard C B
    Richard C B
    @stuffwif, I think what im trying to say is many have misinterpreted the religion which has caused them harm. Because they are meant to be educated by the bible and that conflicts with a cultlike mind control. No one here could say jesus was a charismatic cult leader if they studied his life. That is the contradiction
  • Londo111
    Londo111

    In terms of people being benefited by joining the Watchtower…people also benefited by joining the People’s Temple. Some were former drug dealers or users and joining helped them break their addictions and bad behavior. The group mobilized and did good works on behalf of the community. People were impressed. However, knowing what we know now, what was there end?

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