What Do You Eat For Brakfast? (page 2)

SolidSender

path & seven - hi. Following your thoughts - I don't have scars - i have parts that are completely missing, especially to do with relationships etc.-SolidSender

Hey, I don't believe the Society can be blamed for all of our problems. Some, naturally. Anyone who puts implicit faith in an organization runs that problem. Look how Republicans feel after losing an election. Democrats take it better, IMO.

I will have scars from the Society, but I will have scars much worse, and deeper, from my childhood. Disease causes much distress, even death. The death of a loved one leaves terrible scars. But we all get on with our lives - and deal with pain, anger, and finally adjust to getting on with our lives.

I think the Society fosters resentment, hurt, and anger, and, BTW, some good memories, (friends, outings, jokes, etc.) and is confusing as all get out (American term), but scars? None that can't be overcome.

Why do I come and enjoy y'all? Obviously, you're an enjoyable group - and I've not gotten on with my life - yet. Still going forward though.

Surely, if a person can tell another "qualified" (not elder) person about seeing animals and children gutted by their father - and that qualified person suggests that they "get over it and get on with their life," we can get over our erroneous religious beliefs.

Religion is not our whole life, our life is that. That is what Jehovah gave us - not our religion. Just my opinion, however.

Pathofthorns

I was thinking a similar thought Waiting that we would still have some scars from normal life, perhaps even some that could be considered worse.

I guess its just that these scars are different in that its not simply something which happened to us like some tragic event, but it was our whole life and who we were and everything we hoped for.

It is much like the Matrix, where one day you wake up and everything that seemed so sure and real was simply a pipedream.

Path

waiting

Hey, Circare,

Welcome here! Grits are a typically Southern USA food that is made from finely ground corn. Most people eat them for breakfast - Yankees do not.

After 20 yrs, I (a Yankee)have learned to eat them with lots of salt & pepper and cheese. Plain, they taste and look like paste, IMO.

waiting

Hey, Path,

When I started remembering my childhood, one of the toughest things to do was to remake my value system.

My father was very stern about us kissing our parents good nite every nite and before going out on a date. Our dates always thought we were slightly strange. I think it's ok, and tried to raise my children that way also. And to say please and thank you, etc. Like I had been raised.

However, after memories, I could not get the frame work right in my mind. I would get my feelings hurt because my husband never says thank you - like I was taught to. However, my husband does not beat me nor rape my children. So, was the saying of thank you right or wrong? Kissing? The list is endless - and took a long time to sort out.

But sort it out is possible - my father was a beast, but on his regular side, he was just an average guy and father. In that respect, the WTBTS is a beast of a channel for God, but as a typical religion, they're just average.

We just were looking for the perfect parent (and the WTBTS said they nearly were) and found out that the WTBTS is as screwed up as the rest of the world. They will go on - and so will we (but probably not together......)

Edited by - waiting on 3 July 2000 23:15:9

Pathofthorns

I agree with you that we were looking for perfection, and they basically claimed to be the closest thing to it.

But to say "as a typical religion, they're just average" IMO is to close your mind to reality. I can't agree with you there. Sorry.

Path

Frenchy

Circare: Sorry for not getting back to you with an answer to your question sooner. Waiting is correct. It’s really an invention of the American Indians. Grits are ground hominy. Hominy (from an Indian name) is made from dried, hulled corn kernels. The result is a ‘gritty’ substance that is boiled until softened and then usually eaten with butter or like SevenofNine likes ‘em, with syrup or with gravy and sometimes even with cheese. It’s a favorite southern breakfast food and is usually served with the eggs and bacon. Even after it’s boiled and served, it still has a ‘gritty’ texture and ‘dem yankees apparently don’t like dat at all!

-Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

waiting

My Dear Frenchy,

Dam straight 'bout that, Cajun Boy - dem dam grits ain't got no taste!

Hey Path,

But to say "as a typical religion, they're just average" IMO is to close your mind to reality. I can't agree with you there. Sorry

Why would you consider the WTBTS so infinitely worse than the Mormons? The Hare Krishnas? The Catholics? The Baptists? Scientology? The list is endless. When I said they were an average, typical religion, I did not say that any religion was good or bad. You read what you wanted into that statement. I just said that they were average, for a religion. For a JW - those are fighting words.

Look closely at the long history of the Catholics - I have, I was raised one. I also had an unhealthly, IMO, fascination for the the Catholic Inquistions. Also for the Dark Ages. I think it had to do with my childhood - a way to identify with horror without knowing why.

IMO, there is no religious organization with a darker history than Catholicism. And, BTW, they don't teach about it in their schools, just like the Society doesn't teach the whole truth about their history.

The Catholics control through Hell. The Society controls through Armageddon.

The Catholics confess to a single priest. The JW to 3 elders.

The Catholics do all kinds of specials things such as Lent, previously no meat, etc. The JW's do nothing special.

The Catholics had their own schools so that their children would be taught to be good little Catholics. The JWs don't associate in school so that their children would be taught to be good little JWs.

The Catholics are full of rituals visually defining their faith. The JWs lack all rituals so they feel their faith is defined by lack thereof.

Please keep in mind - it's been a long time since I've lived and researched the Catholic Church. They may have changed their teachings, such as No Meat On Fridays, as of this date. This is a true statement for the Society, they change their teachings on a regular basis also.

The Society teaches that the Catholics are Babylon the Great. But I think they, perhaps, are quite similar to each other. Just average religious organizations, IMHO.

Pathofthorns

I understand what you are saying. :) I didn't want to upset you with my reply, as I said what I said rather tacklessly. (My appologies).

I do know there are devout Catholics who observe tradition carefully. There are other cults like Mormons and religions such as the Jewish faith who don't take too kindly to those who reject their "herritage". The majority permit their members to hold other viewpoints or even to openly disagree or critisize without sanction. We don't fall into that catagory, but fall into those few groups that penalize "wayward" members to the full extent of the ecclesiatical powers granted to them.

I do believe we hold similarities to other religions, but I also think we stand out as different in many respects.

Path

circare

Hey waiting, thanks for the welcome. G'day Frenchy and others.

Your description of 'grits' doesn't make them sound very appetising. Do you eat them as a 'porridge' or a 'cake'? I had some corn-bread on a visit to the west coast of US that I quite liked. However, I didn't like buckwheat porridge as a kid because of the 'grittiness' (texture u know ).

Well now that I have taken this off topic again - and revived a post that was probably dead - I just wanted to say that I grew up as a JW and I don't think I experienced the constraint you did Carmel, about what one should read and what one shouldn't.
My parents (also brought up as JW's) had a wide variety of interests and even tho' they served full time on and off throughout my childhood we were encouraged to read widely also.
Within cultures there are always constraints as to what literature is recommended and taught to one as they are growing, obviously most societies encourage their own cultural reading ahead of others for their young.

There were definitely time constraints as a JW that didn't allow for as much reading as one wanted but I read a lot about different religions, cultures and history and I don't think I have had any great surprises in the things I am reading currently. I would say that if you were an active JW today the time would be the main issue?
I am always greatly shocked when I read about atrocities we commit against each other and I am greatly disappointed that they continue to this day. I would like to think they could all be relegated to a distant past when mankind was backward and uneducated and uncivilised. Yet history does seem to repeat itself and we don't seem to learn from our mistakes very well. I have this 'childish'? desire that we could 'grow ' as human beings. Maybe that comes from the 'JW mindset' SolidS?

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