WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon 865 Replies latest social current

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  ThiChi

  Alan F:

  The only false assumptions I see can be found in your claims.

  Your observations of Simon’s emotional state was uncalled for, and your views of information control are paranoid and absurd, IMHO. If you can dish it out, you better can take it.

  Your diverting comments of a personal nature will not work on me. I see right through you.

  The issue is not if Governments, etc., control their information, we all know that anyone reporting anything would, in effect control it. That’s a given. The issue here is if the controls are absolute. As your claim infers. You only offer a false choice based on a Straw Man fallacy.

  In this modern age, total control of information is impossible in a free society. If the Government controls most information, then why are our Universities mostly Liberal, Anti US? This one fact alone disproves your claim of cause and effect. More importantly, examining the reasons for your claims would really be telling. The Straw Man you are trying to prop up is not working. Nice Try!
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  sf

  "The information highway has changed all that. The free flow of news from all sources, Governments, News agencies, Private ventures like Human Rights Organizations, and other independent sources(and others), really gives balance to the whole. No voice is omitted. Its all there."

  Hahahaha, 'independant' news sources...hahahaha. You mean like FOXNEWS with Bill O' Reilly? Or any one of the other 'independant' reporters there?

  ROFLOLOLOL O'Reilly has yet to be completely honest in HIS VIEWS. I listen to his krap daily. Yes, krap! I used to adore him and FOXNEWS, yet they are all the same...

  'Slaves'. Plus, in my opinion, the FOX network itself is full of pre-VERTS. O'Reilly included. I simply am not impressed by his balls anymore. They look 'deflated' every time I look at him now. Soon, he will need them re-placed. That's gotta hurt not only his ego, but his wife too!!

  If you listen to FOXNEWS now, independant reporting is not what I encounter there ANYMORE. I encounter it nowhere. The media is 'controlled'. Just as is everything around you.

  sKally
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  sf

  Uh, pre-vert, per-vert.

  One cums before the other?

  sKally
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  MrMoe

  I didn't read any of this, I apologize in advance, but I thought Simon instructed everybody to STOP talking about the War????
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  Pleasuredome

  WoMD ... so where are they?

  they've all been shipped and placed in strategic points around the USA. see this thread for more details:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/39618/668329/post.ashx#668329
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  Simon

  Well a SCUD is considered a WMD and was used now wasn't it?

  This is the sort of mis-information that annoys me. Early on, they announced that SCUD missiles had been fired at Kuwait and later in the "small print" they admitted that they were conventional weapons (fired from the area they already announced were secure).

  All they rely on is getting out the headline that people then remember.

  Yes, it is a subject I am passionate about because I don't like to see injustice and lies but I've not lost me' marbles yet !! Don't pick up on figures of speech like "of course" ... it's just a lead in to a sentance and nothing more.
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  ThiChi

  SF:

  Who mentioned Fox News or Others? Only you. However you prove my point. You have given valid alternatives to the New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle. The "Poison Well" tactic in debating is common. Attack the one providing the information, not the information itself. Who cares who delivers the information, my concern is, is it in context and accurate? A quick search on the web, and you will soon know.
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  ThiChi

  Alan F:

  ""The fact is that anyone who discloses information that a government wants kept secret will be either jailed or killed, depending on the government and other circumstances. That effectively stanches the flow of full information.""

  Fact? Ohh pleeese. (Plus, your "disclaimer" makes your own claim invalid....) Examples please? Here are some examples that prove you wrong:

  1. Watergate.

  2. JFK

  3. And a recent example:

  Published on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 by the

  Guardian/UK

  US Weapons Secrets Exposed

  by Julian Borger in Washington

  Respected scientists on both sides of the Atlantic warned yesterday that the US is developing a new generation of weapons that undermine and possibly violate international treaties on biological and chemical warfare.

  The scientists, specialists in bio-warfare and chemical weapons, say the Pentagon, with the help of the British military, is also working on "non-lethal" weapons similar to the narcotic gas used by Russian forces to end last week's siege in Moscow.

  They also point to the paradox of the US developing such weapons at a time when it is proposing military action against Iraq on the grounds that Saddam Hussein is breaking international treaties.

  Malcolm Dando, professor of international security at the University of Bradford, and Mark Wheelis, a lecturer in microbiology at the University of California, say that the US is encouraging a breakdown in arms control by its research into biological cluster bombs, anthrax and non-lethal weapons for use against hostile crowds, and by the secrecy under which these programs are being conducted.

  ...

  Don’t worry Alan F, no one has died yet over this......
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  ThiChi

  """Government agencies put out only what they want people to hear"""

  This statement begs the question: Who does not do this? A straw man.
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  unique1

  It is because they didn't have any. In case you haven't noticed Bush is a dumbass.

  (Of course I realize this is merely MY opinion so please no hateful responses. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.)