Huh.
I never knew "faithful slaves" looked like televangelists.
Faithful Slave is not appointed yet - only in the future
by TheWonderofYou 16 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Finkelstein
First, false religion will be destroyed....
So then the WTS/JWS will be destroyed being that it was and still is false religion devised around a corrupt and devious publishing house who used commercially inspired false doctrines.
Amen
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Vidiot
@ Finkelstein...
I can just imagine a loyal (but not-too-bright) JW trying to use loss of tax-exemption and/or the rising tide of (pedo) lawsuits as "persecution" and proof that they have "the Truth"...
..."wait a minute... isn't 'Babylon the Great' supposed to be attacked first? "
Probably one of the reasons they discontinued the Revelation Climax book.
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Half banana
The Christianity of the NT is a fraud.
The orthodox statement for the Catholic faith was made by Eusebius (fourth century CE), who was both Constantine's chronicler and the official chronicler of the Christian Church. Amongst other fictions, he wrote up the contrived connection between Peter and the Papacy claiming a divine mandate for the Roman Church's legitimacy. His key interest was in making Roman Christianity work as a political instrument and to do that he invented the concepts of the primitive church as it is understood today.The realities of the first century however are quite different from this modern viewpoint which Eusebius planted into "history" but one to which the WT uncritically subscribes.
I know I am at odds with most here but the evidence for Jesus as an air-breathing human is extremely tenuous. At best he is the product of a mosaic of literary references existing for millennia which had formerly been applied to other saviour god-men.The Jesus character fulfilled the need for a Jewish redeemer. He was expected by Jewish tradition (in Isaiah) where he was to come as a prince ruling in glory, the archetypal conquering hero saving the nation from all of its enemies.
By the first century CE Judea had become thoroughly Hellenised, completely influenced by the classical culture of the time; public baths, pagan temples, McDonalds etc, its religion was on a back burner. At this time there were many would- be saviours ranting in the market places, there were also many established cults within that Roman world, all polytheistic, recognising the traditional gods. Notable amongst them was the cult of Dionysus who had been born of a virgin birth, son of a god, turned water into wine and crucified for the sake of mankind and most importantly; universally understood to be so.
The clever twist of the early church teaching was to unify the disparate threads of the Greek/Roman pagan polytheist tradition with the monotheist Jewish.
The Jewish hero saviour was a conquering prince whereas the Greek and Roman, pagan hero was a 'sacrificial god' by which claim Jewish taste would be greatly offended.
The NT scripture was written in part to accommodate these disparities.
Therefore when seen from the Catholic fusion perspective, the Jesus character had fulfilled the role in the Dionysian and Mythraic tradition as wonder worker, healer, preacher and ultimately the sacrificial saviour but it was quite clear that he was no political prince who came ruling in glory. That then is why he had to have the words put in his mouth in scripture that he was "coming again" when all eyes will see him.(Mat 24;30) The glorious return was therefore a sop for the Jewish punters to be realized in their own day. The 'sacrificial' christ had already been attested to according to the faithful.
All of this has no modern meaning! It was meant to build and establish the catholic faith drawing together beliefs and believers from all of paganism and Judaism.
To understand the FDS can only seriously be understood in the light of the purpose of the NT in fuelling the 'Jesus as Christ' movement which culminated in the Catholic (meaning all embracing) Roman Church.
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TheWonderofYou
Brief summary for busy ones (who live in the endtime) of the subject, considering your comments and notes with a really broad variety of views.
Q: Is the FDS already appointed? Scripture Matthew 24,45-51
A: NO
Reasons
- because the slave itself is permanently changing its view about the own identity (once all bethelits who slaved away making books were treated as FDS)
- not completely, because there were 2 appointments and only the second would be over all belongings.
- its only a parable anyway – Peter in Luke 12:41(Q behind: Is there any real spiritual appointment as oversight given to the FDS. A. Perhaps no.)
- it supposedly was used only as transition into the next chapter (from 24 to 25) and was overrated, and was used in the context as general counsil only and as answer to the question in Matthew 24,3 about the endtime and return of christ.
- An actual wise servant wouldn't look like a Tele-evangelist
- would not empower itself at the cost of lives and deaths only to think of being subservient
- a wise servant would not be attacked of a rise of lawsuits and loss of tax-exempetion, those things should happen only to false religions with unwise leaders.
- supposedly the parable of the slave + the coming/return of Jesus served the purpose of fuelling the „christ“-movement and everything has no meaning without establishing the catolic faith
- it cannot be already appointed „over all belongings“ at all before Jesus' return because such a reward is only awaited for the time after the memorial of jesus death and the handing over of the symbols at the memorial would have ceased. (=until he arrives) (order of events: 1. coming/return 2. reward)
- the intended audience was supposedly the apostels
- a real appointment would be big disappointment on earth if and when during the tribulation shortly before armageddon the anointed faithul servant would die and be raptured. ( would lead to the assumption that the appointment inclueds the heavenly reward)
If I would appoint a winner, i would like to select:
An actual wise servant wouldn't look like a Tele-evangelist ;-) -
TheWonderofYou
Timeline across the tribulation
Hence how the appointment of the FDS over all his belongings is supposed to occur “during the great tribulation“ (= end of the wicked world), all other end-time-events - first the fall of religion babylon, secondly the coming of the lord, thirdly the judgment with the dying of the goats, fourthly at least the appointment of the slave over all belongings and fifthly in final step the armagedon after the rapture of some anointed would all happen also „during the tribulation", sayeth the watchtower 13 7 /15.
This statement tastes like sweet persuasivness, a logical and comprehensible unique schedule. What a sequence of events, also because it is so dramatic. Especially by positioning the coming/return of the Lord and the appointement as actual event into the timeline of "during the tribulation". Is such a schedule verifiable in the bible?
In the biblical order of writing given by the gospelwriter Matthew the appointment is mentioned only in the shape of a general advice not as event in the timeline.
Quite the contrary is the case in the bible account. It positions the coming of the Lord as the final event in the history „immediately after the tribulation". .....after the great tribulation. Already noted? Take your own bible and look up Matthew 24:29-31.
----Mt 24,1-2
announcement of temple destruction
Mt 24,3-14
beginning of the sorrows
Mt 24,15-28
climax of the distress including v.21 „great tribulation“
Mt 24,29-31
of the coming / return of the son of man
„After the tribulations“Mt 24,32-42
parable of an alert host
Mt 24,43-44
parable of the faithful and evil slave
Luke 12:35-48 parable about faithful slave
Luke 21,5-6
announcment of temple destruction
Luke 21,7-19
beginning of the sorrows, wars, earthquakes
Luke 21,20-24
judgment about Jerusalem
Luke 21,25-26
signs at sun, moon, sea, earth and heaven
Luke 21,27-28
coming of son of man
Luke 21,29-36
warnings
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KiddingMe
Sowhatnow, I accidentally clicked on "dislike". My apologies. Thanks for the link.
