Reddit thread on convention video urging cutting off contact with Faders

by LongHairGal 44 Replies latest jw friends

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  TonusOH

  Mikejw: You just go because it’s a nice social club.

  Anyone who believes this way has never been outside of the JW bubble. It's a social club where suspicion is the most prevalent feeling. Not warmth, not camaraderie. You know that the people around you --who are treating you like best friends and closest family-- will do a complete 180 and turn their backs on you ("for your own good") the moment they learn that you're not 100% loyal.

  It's only like a social club if your idea of a social club is a prison. It doesn't matter how nice the people are and how long you've been friends. They're keeping an eye on you, and won't hesitate to turn on you. Stay in if you want to or have to, but don't lie to yourself that it's anything like a nice social club.
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  blondie

  It might seem to some jws that it is a supporting social club, as long as they are part of that elite group, but when the are pushed out by the elite, they will realize most of jws are not part of that group and how they are really treated.
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  slimboyfat

  No club is unconditional, it’s a matter of degree. I am in some groups where you can be excluded or at least ostracised for opposing trans ideology or opposing abortion. There are other groups that exclude you for taking the opposite view on those issues. Karl Popper argued that complete toleration is self-destructive and that democracies need to be intolerant of ideologies that threaten its survival. There are no absolutes, there is no such thing as unconditional. But I do appreciate that the degree of control, censorship, and surveillance among JWs is greater than many other groups and many find it something along the range of stifling to completely intolerable. If you happen to agree with JW leadership on most things it can be worth biting your tongue over a few things you don’t agree with. If you think God is in control of the organisation overall then it can even be perceived as the loyal and right thing to do. It’s a personal choice.
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  JohnR1975

  Mikejw: You just go because it’s a nice social club.

  Anyone who believes this way has never been outside of the JW bubble. It's a social club where suspicion is the most prevalent feeling. Not warmth, not camaraderie. You know that the people around you --who are treating you like best friends and closest family-- will do a complete 180 and turn their backs on you ("for your own good") the moment they learn that you're not 100% loyal.

  Nope this is the old way.

  so many who have been out for a long time just have no idea how much things have changed.

  its now a prevailing theme to not expect too much of others and hope they don’t expect too much of you.

  and then they go on and on about not expecting too much from yourself.

  everything is lighter it’s all getting easier, and more sympathetic.

  the elders get loads of training at the elders schools to be sympathetic and not expect too much.
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  Ugot2bekiddingme1

  What I here from my brother who is a pimo, there is networks of pimo groups within the congregation that just go through the motion but basically say screw you borg you got us stuck here we are going to do what we want.