It'll overlap with another year.
Or it might just get lost in the mists of time.
How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside 282 Replies latest watchtower bible
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TonusOH
Remember that Russell believed that 1914 would be when God's kingdom would be established on Earth (ie, not the start of the end times, but the conclusion), and that 1874 is when Jesus ascended to the heavenly throne and began his invisible rule. He taught this for decades and expressed full confidence that God had revealed this to him.
If his confidence was misplaced and he was forced to modify his explanation (and quite drastically, at that), then there is no reason to accept modern explanations, no matter how confidently they are expressed.
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DesirousOfChange
With 2-3 new GB members and a couple of the old guys with one foot in the grave, be prepared for lots of New Light soon. That will most assuredly change the dynamics of the group.
According to Ray Franz, they need a vote of 2/3 majority to make any doctrinal adjustments, thus the :changing of the guard" might be the time for it.
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Jeffro
Except the ‘outbreak of the Great War’ was before October of 1914. But because something significant happened in that year, JWs quietly ignore that fact. 😂 (On top of the fact that the Adventist numerology is nonsense, on top of the fact that Jerusalem was definitely destroyed in 587 BCE, not 607.)
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The outbreak of the Great War is usually assigned to events prior to October, 1914 and by that time the Gentile Times had ended on or about October,1916 with the inauguration of the heavenly Kingdom of God all such events are consistent with our Chronology and interpretation of Bible prophecy.
The simple fact is that Jerusalem was destroyed not in 586/587 or 588 BCE but in the verified date of 607 BCE.
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And of course JWs also ignore the fact that in the Bible, Jesus’ parousia explicitly follows the great tribulation. JWs don’t really care what the Bible actually says when it disagrees with their nutty doctrines.
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Not so for the Bible clearly indicates the Parousia beginning with the king's arrival must precede the Great Tribulation as shown by means of the successive events described in the Olivet Discourse.
Such 'nutty doctrines' keep you occupied by means of your fixation on our teachings and your presentation of pretty coloured charts!!!!!
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TD
If you don't see the problem with the 1984 quote I've provided, then I don't think we have a whole lot to discuss.
If you believe that view expressed in that quote has been adjusted and there is some other basis (Other than a chronological understanding of a generation) to identify "prospective" members of the great crowd today, then I would appreciate a reference or two.
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Just provide the 1984 quote that concerns you as you have not given specific information and then the said scholar will help you for scholar likes to help the little people.
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TD
Well yes, that is the point. You're ahead of scholar at least. They were not members of the great crowd. They were not even prospective members of the great crowd as JW's have taught since 1970. Do I have to show you how JW teachings on the Ransom and how it applies during the time of the end does not cover or account for that fact? Or conversely, can you show me, when and how the great crowd teaching was adjusted?
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Let us cut to the chase and you provide your understanding of the 'great crowd' and how it relates to the present-day members of the other sheep who today coexist with the anointed in doing the Lord's work.
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indoubtbigtime
If they ditch 1914, they'll have to ditch the Gentile Times prophecy, and the Last Days in general, but JWs without eschatology have no reason to exist. An alternative would be to just move End of Gentile Times to another date. They could for example accept the historical consensus about the fall of Jerusalem in 587 BC; that would give them 20 years of breathing time, and pass the hot potato to the next generation of GB; this sounds cynical enough for the GB to adopt. The problem, though, would be that every WT magazine has constantly fired against the historical date of 587 BC in favor of their baseless 607 BC. Changing that would be a huge flip-flop, but it wouldn't be news.
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What you fail to realize is that the modern-day Church is an Eschatological Church or Organization as described in detail in the book of Revelation. Thus, such teachings or doctrines such as the Gentile Times, Last days, Parousia, Kingdom are all part of modern Biblical Theology fully developed by Jehovah's people since the days of the Early Bible Students.,
Then is no historical consensus for 587 BCE as the date for Jerusalem's Fall as most reputable scholars prefer 586 BCE thus 587 BCE is not the historical date but 607 BCE is the only validated date for the destruction of Jerusalem based on the historic Jewish Exile of 70 years.
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Jeffro
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Then is no historical consensus for 587 BCE as the date for Jerusalem's Fall as most reputable scholars prefer 586 BCE thus 587 BCE is not the historical date but 607 BCE is the only validated date for the destruction of Jerusalem based on the historic Jewish Exile of 70 years.
Entirely wrong. Based on the secularly agreed facts of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign along with what the Bible says, 587 BCE is the correct year. But JWs don’t really care what the Bible actually says. 607BCE has no support from any reputable source at all.
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Jeffro
Entirely wrong. Based on the secularly agreed facts of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign along with what the Bible says, 587 BCE is the correct year. But JWs don’t really care what the Bible actually says. 607BCE has no support from any reputable source at all.
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Entirely wrong. Your methodology as used on your website discussing 587 vs 586 BCE uses a methodology that is complex and simply a contrivance in order to prove the unprovable.I am sure that serious scholars who advocate 586 BCe are well aware of the contrary arguments against 586 but it still, remains the strongest candidate within current scholarship.
The dates 586 or 587 are falsified by the fact of the Jewish Exile which was of 70 years duration ending in Cyrus' 1 st year in 537 BCE and beginning in the 18th year of Neb and the 11th year of Zedekiah which brings the simple fact that the Exile could only have begun in 607 BCE with the Fall of Jerusalem.
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