The higher you go in the Dub land, more and more exclusive N.D. they become.
Narcissistic personality disorder and the dubs
by purrpurr 40 Replies latest jw friends
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Its this strange dichotomy of - yes Its all about me, god is blessing me with a job, house, my blue honda, my illness is better, bla bla bla - and the thinking that you are just a piece of sinful crap. Good for nothing slave...'
Then you have some people who are just the NPDs - a sister in my hall who thinks she is the incarnation of Job (demons and angels play a part in all that happens to her) , and a amazingly ignorant stupid oblivious 50ish elder who can't speak in complete sentences, but thinks his parts are lincolnesque - and was wondering why it took so long to make him an elder.
We are bizarre!
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Sabin
1) Grandiose sense of self-importance. e.g. Exaggerates achievements & talents, expects to be recognized as superior.
2) Preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love.
3) Believes they are special & unique & can only be understood by, or associate with other special or high-status people/institutions.
4) Requires excessive admiration.
5) Sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations.
6) Interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve their own ends.
7) Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings & needs of others.
8) Often envious of others or believes that others are envious of them.
9) Show's arrogance, haughty behaviours or attitudes.
If that doesn't sum up the WTBTS then I don't know what does. They make you unsure of yourself, which is why when you want to make a decision you cant do so on your own, no you must research in the W.T. articles first. The narcissists within the Borg will do very well thank-you. The rest will struggle, become oversensitive, indecisive, self-conscious, lack self-trust/confidence & have a general sense of insecurity. The Borg loves the fact that it does this to individuals, because they are sadistic, Godless, BASTARDS.
Of course this is just my opinion. The positive thing here my friends is that we are the lucky ones that woke up & as painful as it may have been, we got the F...K OUT.
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Beth Sarim
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AnneB
Depression, split personality, narcissism etc. are all symptoms of the coping with one's situation by oneself in a setting where they don't really understand what's going on or what will happen. So basically, when i see a narcissist, i just see a person whos been exposed to an experience where they had to find a way to cope and survive.
Well said, Skedaddle! My far less erudite explanation after years of tying to understand how people that I knew and still love could be so...dangerous...is that they've been terrorized, backed into a corner, and they are dealing with life like a person who is gasping for what feels like their last breath, reflexively doing anything they can to keep alive and not knowing how else to continue. On the outside it looks calculated, but after knowing some of these sufferers intimately (read "close family members") I believe that they really can't comprehend most of the harm they do and they can't reason on it as we would wish because of the strangling fear. To coin a phrase: "They know not what they do" even though it looks calculated. Put them in front of God on Judgement Day and they can honestly say they didn't do it, and He will accept it. (Don't jump all over me for using this terminology, I'm just trying to show how absolutely out of control and beyond help such people really are.)
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Acts5v29
Good morning Skedaddle
There's a difference between narcissism and NPD, though both can have their roots in suffering bad experience. Narcissism can be treated - it is an overlay to the basic character - but NPD is quite, quite diferent, strongly rooted as a building pile rather than as an armour.Depression, split personality, narcissism etc. are all symptoms of the coping with one's situation by oneself in a setting where they don't really understand what's going on or what will happen. So basically, when i see a narcissist, i just see a person whos been exposed to an experience where they had to find a way to cope and survive.
But sure - its good to feel for another's pain and understand when their behaviour is simply them letting it out.
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slimboyfat
I am skeptical about such classifications. There was a discussion about removing it from the clinical list of psychological disorders. The problem is the tendency to label anyone who is mean or treats you badly as a narcissist. That may feel empowering but is there a clinical basis?
http://www.psychforums.com/narcissistic-personality/topic128470.html
The cluster of traits associated with the "disorder" are quite broad and nebulous. Some of the traits are contradictory (introversion and extroversion both being "signs") so that various sub categories need to be devised to accommodate them. So it reaches a point where you begin to ask is there a real advantage to collecting these various traits together in various permutations and making a category out of it? Maybe it would be better simply to take the traits and people involved and view them on an individual basis.
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slimboyfat
I'd never heard of the thing until this poster who used to talk about it a lot.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/users/85813/Narcissistic%20Supply
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Acts5v29
Good morning slimboy,
I am skeptical about such classifications. There was a discussion about removing it from the clinical list of psychological disorders. The problem is the tendency to label anyone who is mean or treats you badly as a narcissist. That may feel empowering but is there a clinical basis?
I understand your skepticism. The problem with NPD (as opposed to narcissistic behaviour or "mean-ness") is that it is not debilitating to the host - it is a horribly skewed outlook with which one casually ruins others. Also, there is no adequate treatment - certainly no treatment to remove it from the psychology of the host.
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Xanthippe
I think my FIL has NPD. Converted to JWs at 21, made an elder in his twenties, congregation overseer in his thirties. Ran departments at Twickenham convention. Was determined to be a circuit overseer even though he had two small kids. They kept telling him no. No education to speak of, he even missed a lot of primary school during WWII. Manual worker, his wife did his accounts.
I'm not a psychiatrist but I do wonder if someone with a genetic dIsposition to the disorder is damaged by being given positions with a huge amount of power over people's lives by this cult. Especially when they've not had to work their way through education which grounds people I believe to a certain extent. He always thought he'd beat the system, that he was blessed. He was looked up to by so many people yet disliked by other elders because he couldn't stop telling them what to do.
Even now after he's been out years he thinks he's lucky and you don't have to work hard, you have to manipulate people into doing what you want. He got someone to lie about him having a bachelors degree and had them write a letter of recommendation so he could get on an MBA program.
He wrote these atrocious essays that his tutor sent back again and again and let him rewrite them! He couldn't get through the pass mark on the essays which was only 40%. Somehow he got his tutor to explain what he needed to write and mark them over and over until he got it right. Got an MBA without having a first degree through lying and manipulating people. Then got a lecturer's job but couldn't hack it and retired. He said at his first lecture he was amazed the students didn't clap.
I keep away from him as much as possible. He damaged his kids severely. His wife runs around after him like a skivvy and he talks to her as if she's stupid. I don't need need toxic people in my life any more. He knows everything anyway, why would he need me around, except to applaud his genius.