by Fisherman 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
A specific “day,” or period, when particular groups, nations, or mankind in general are called to account by God.
“I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,”- 2 Tim 4:1
Seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it. How do you see it?
There must be a difference from sin that is inherited and the sins accidentally or deliberately committed by the individual. some are said to "crucify the Christ anew" (not in reality)
If AI would have been available in bible times, some of the contradictory messages would not have made it into the canon. it is not a coordinated "Salvo" for salvation.
all the resurrected ones, from Lazarus to the sleeper and the knitter, were not freed from inherited sin, and they were the exemplary cases. why would the rest of the dead in the judgements to come? or are judged to gehenna already?
Seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it. How do you see it?
It is the destiny of everyone - believer and non-believer alike to be judged. (Hebrews 9: 27) But, they are not all judged at the same place, at the same time, or for the same reason.
Unbelievers and heretics, having rejected the salvation of God for a vicarious death and punishment in Jesus Christ, must then be judged by their own works, having rejected the work of Christ on Calvary Hill. This judgement takes place after the Millennium Reign at the Great White Throne. Here, they will be resurrected and stand trial in their fully integrated body, soul and spirit. This is the "resurrection unto damnation".
Also written about here: "The rest of the dead did not come to life until after the thousand years were finished".
The righteous dead, with their souls already in heaven will also be fully integrated with their body, soul and spirit in a glorified form... like Jesus had after his resurrection. This is the "resurrection unto life".... also known as the First Resurrection. They will be judged at the Bema Seat Judgement, probably while the Great Tribulation is wrapping up and the last of those sealed are martyred. This judgement doesn't determine salvation. That issue was settled forever at the cross.
The Bema seat judgement, also known as the Judgement Seat of Christ, is for rewards... called crowns in the bible. There are several types of crowns that will be available to believers.
The idea of a resurrection of people for a second chance in a paradise earth is a complete fiction and is not supported anywhere in the bible. The survivors of the GT who are allowed in will repopulate the earth, not resurrected people.
After these first two judgments for the believer, there are three more for: The Jews, the survivors of the GT , and the unrighteous dead.
No wonder I don`t beleive in a GOD or the Bible anymore ?
Proof enough in the above .
Smiddy,
Since my college days, I've heard atheists for years complain about the existence of evil being evidence that God doesn't exist.
When confronted with the many scriptures that show that God will judge evil, some atheists then claim that is also reason to not believe God.
This seems confusing and contradictory. So, just for the record could you explain once and for all if you are for or against the judging of sin/evil by God?
For me, it is inconsistencies like this that prompted me to abandon atheism/agnosticism.
Baskets of puppies are also among the top philosophical reasons to reject atheism IMO:
The following are artificial constructs of Abrahamic faiths -
The Jews in the time of the historical Jesus had several afterlife beliefs. One such belief that was held by the Pharisees was a come back in human form on Earth under the rule of the Messiah. This was a point of contention between the Sadducees and the Pharisees. The Sadducees maintained the oldest of Jewish beliefs on the afterlife - namely, there isn't one.
The whole concept of "if it ain't in the Bible it ain't true" is a fallacy brought to being by Martin Luther with his Five Solas. Sola Scriptura is Luther's dogma and that didn't come into existence until 1517 CE. The Bible was only canonized until about 397 CE.
So, along the same line of thinking as Fisherman asks, here is a similar question -
Jesus' sacrifice is supposed to be a ransom sacrifice. A ransom is payment given in exchange for a prisoner. Mankind is supposedly imprisoned by sin. What other ransom gets paid only to have the prisoner judged and executed?
Also, belief is the sole requirement to receive the effect of Jesus' ransom. It is not enough that the ransom was paid. The prisoner has to believe it was paid and paid by Jesus. So, conversely, would that not mean that a person has to believe the are a sinner and a prisoner to sin to be held in captivity in the first place?
One more question. Jesus supposedly fulfilled the Mosiac Law. Upon his Jesus' death the Law was null and void. It was the Jew's who invented the concept of "sins of the fathers". Jesus' sacrifice ended persons being held accountable for what their forefathers' actions. So, does that not mean Adam and Eve's original sin would no longer be held against their offspring?
I thought the Governing Body determined that one's death paud for sins committed in this life. Have they had new light
" just for the record could you explain once and for all if you are for or against the judging of sin/evil by God?"
No wonder I don`t beleive in a GOD or the Bible anymore ?
What is it about that statement you don`t understand Sea breeze ?
